I get the frustration, but I don’t wish any harm on the young man.
I wouldn't have wished any harm on his victims, but here we are.
As far as I’m concerned, the criminal Justice system did what it was supposed to. He got his day in court and was able to argue his case to a jury of his peers.
I'm disgusted by the laws that would enable him to walk free. Sure, the criminal justice system did what it was supposed to do, but it did it's thing using bad data (ie bad laws). Garbage in, garbage out.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
I get the frustration, but I don’t wish any harm on the young man.
I wouldn't have wished any harm on his victims, but here we are.
As far as I’m concerned, the criminal Justice system did what it was supposed to. He got his day in court and was able to argue his case to a jury of his peers.
I'm disgusted by the laws that would enable him to walk free. Sure, the criminal justice system did what it was supposed to do, but it did it's thing using bad data (ie bad laws). Garbage in, garbage out.
Did you watch the trial?
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
I stand by the fact that the law is an imperfect instrument but the best we've got and much better than vigilantism. The irony is that the law allowed a vigilante to walk after he killed two people and seriously injured a third. And he was a vigilante whom I believe is a white power sympathetic, at least, kind of guy. So, Kyle R. makes me ill. But I uphold the legal process, as flawed as it is.
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"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
And now BLM will have no other option but to set more dumpster fires in protest of this verdict. Surely they can find noble social justice warriors like jump kick man, rosenbaum, and grosskreutz to defend their right to burn and loot against any pigs in the police department who are still not defunded yet.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
Veritas
I stand by the fact that the law is an imperfect instrument but the best we've got and much better than vigilantism. The irony is that the law allowed a vigilante to walk after he killed three people. And he was a vigilante whom I believe is a white power sympathetic, at least, kind of guy. So, Kyle R. makes me ill. But I uphold the legal process, as flawed as it is.
Agree. I would love to know his personal history including his family history. There is so much material and photos online and it's hard to tell what's been dummied up or what is accurate. I mean, for all we know, he might have been trying to make daddy proud or something.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
And now BLM will have no other option but to set more dumpster fires in protest of this verdict. Surely they can find noble social justice warriors like jump kick man, rosenbaum, and grosskreutz to defend their right to burn and loot against any pigs in the police department who are still not defunded yet.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
This wasn't the message Wisconsin or our nation needed to hear, even if the jury correctly follow the law.
Teenager Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges Friday in the fatal shootings of two people -- Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26 -- and the wounding of Gaige Grosskreutz, now 28, during a chaotic night in Kenosha on Aug. 25, 2020. The deadly violence followed protests, rioting and arson in response to the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake, by a white officer.
The disappointing verdict is sure to embolden militant people who seek to take the law into their own hands. It also could increase and complicate self-defense claims if more people carry -- and use -- firearms in the streets. That's a scary prospect.
But further violence in response to the verdict won't help anyone. Our civil society must remain calm -- in Kenosha, in Madison and across the country.
Rittenhouse is no hero, as some of his defenders pretend. He behaved like a vigilante and didn't deserve to walk free, given his recklessness. Yet the law, unfortunately, skews in favor of shooters who claim self-defense. That needs to change.
Rittenhouse, then 17, wasn't making anyone safer by parading through crowds of angry people with a semiautomatic rifle strapped to his chest and, according to prosecutors, pointing it at people before the conflict escalated.
What Rittenhouse and other gun-toting, self-appointed "protectors" of Kenosha needed to hear from our court system is that they are not the judge and jury when things go awry. The answer to unrest, including the torching of homes and vehicles, is a well-trained police force and the National Guard.
Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, only complicated the difficult job of law enforcement by showing up armed in Kenosha, where some of his relatives lived.
One of the men Rittenhouse killed (Rosenbaum) was acting odd and aggressive when Rittenhouse shot him. Another victim swung and hit Rittenhouse with a skateboard after Rosenbaum was shot. The third victim had a gun.
But Rittenhouse wasn't an innocent bystander, and some of his victims assumed he was an active shooter who needed to be stopped, prosecutors said. Rittenhouse was engaging passersby with his abrupt and threatening behavior. Much of the case hinged on whether Rittenhouse had provoked the others. If carrying an AR-15 down a crowded street isn't provocative, what is?
Rittenhouse even got off on a gun charge despite getting his weapon from a friend because he couldn't legally purchase it. Blame the state Legislature, not the judge who dismissed the charge, for that.
Wisconsin law allows teenagers to carry firearms for hunting. But the statute is so convoluted that Rittenhouse's lawyers were able to convince the judge that Rittenhouse could legally carry his long rifle in an urban setting where hunting isn't allowed.
The Legislature must fix that law so immature people don't cause more bloodshed. An untrained teenager with a semiautomatic weapon puts everyone -- including police -- at greater risk of conflict and harm.
The Legislature also should narrow the law that allows people to openly carry firearms. If Rittenhouse had not been flaunting his rifle, he wouldn't have attracted so much attention, and this tragedy could have been avoided. It's not like he was defending his home or property.
If Rittenhouse was justified in his actions, how does that apply if two people openly carry guns and point them at each other? Whose self-defense claim takes priority?
Our state should be discouraging standoffs with guns, rather than encouraging more people to arm themselves out of fear or revenge.
Policymakers, more than any jury, are in a position to set clear and reasonable rules.
The jury was under enormous pressure to decide a complicated case after hearing more than 30 witnesses over eight days of testimony. They had to follow the law as written and the instructions of the judge.
Did Rittenhouse face an unlawful threat that night in Kenosha, and was his use of force reasonable and necessary? The jury ultimately answered "yes," and we respect their decision -- even though we don't like it.
Responsible citizens who want to discourage similar tragedies should pressure their elected leaders for smarter gun laws. We the people, through our democracy, must demand that this troubling saga never happens again.
My formatting.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
The part you’ve got right is that you can’t shoot someone for throwing a punch. The problem I see is the number of folks I read about who appear to believe that they can legally shoot someone in response to any threat they perceive.
Do you think a punch can't cause you serious bodily harm? How about if that punch knocks you down and allows 5 or 6 BLM SJWs the opportunity to gang up and kick the crap out of you the way Marquise Love did? I wonder if Adam Haner drives around unarmed now?
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
Veritas
