Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Binger]

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[canpakes]

If Dr. Shades gives you a cookie would you answer his questions? The jury can have cookies and pizzas so you can have some too.

Sounds great. The question has already been answered, though.

Sounds like a rough situation. That’s different than what the video shows.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTW2AJE9 ... e=youtu.be

Switch to the evidence for now, canpakes. I like that you get the facts from the New York Times, but for now lets switch to the trial facts. Cool? We are buddies still and we can go back to the media version, but for now let's stick to the trial facts.

You are free to time-stamp the video in an attempt to match your fictional version of events.

[Binger]

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[canpakes]

Thanks canpakes. Here you go. In this version, at the .05 mark, Mr. Rittenhouse takes the first blow to the head with a rock or brick. He is clearly disoriented by the at hit, and the pursuit continued. Notice - this was omitted from the NYT video. Are you paying attention yet? You are doing awesome. Keep up the great work.

https://thespacecoastrocket.com/wp-cont ... efense.mp4

With a rock or a brick? Can you make up your mind about that? Can you show something that indicates a hit or shows the mystery object?

What about this part of your story, below, that doesn’t seem to be in either video clip source - -

“People who trip, kick and attack a person who is fleeing them and is forced to the ground either by force or by tripping, …”

By the way, the video in the Times shows this same sequence, including the alleged hit. This video is bisected with a comment from Huber’s girlfriend but it has not been omitted from the source at that link. Just page back several seconds.

[Binger]

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[Binger]

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[canpakes]

OK, so we’re still here:

People who trip, kick and attack a person who is fleeing them and is forced to the ground either by force or by tripping, …

Cool story. It’s just not what the video shows.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTW2AJE9 ... e=youtu.be

No one tripped Rittenhouse. And folks weren’t on him until after he righted himself and pointed a weapon at people close by.

You’ve shown me a guy who knocked Rittenhouse’s hat off as Rittenhouse continued to run down the street.

We’re still at: No one tripped Rittenhouse. And folks weren’t on him until after he righted himself and pointed a weapon at people close by.

Not sure if that merits shooting at folks. He may have felt his life was in danger, though, given that he had just pumped 4 bullets into some other person.

[Jersey Girl]

As an antidote, I shall binge on Stones here. Maybe go tippin' a jar in Jackson. Yeah, that.

I take it you know something about classics.

[Dr. Shades]

If you were in that precise situation at that precise time--a guy who had threatened to kill you runs you down and tries to get your firearm away from you--what force would you have used, if any? Why?

Rittenhouse may have had options with Rosenbaum. Leave the area.

He tried to leave the area, as the footage clearly showed. Rosenbaum chased him down anyway.

Ignore Rosenbaum, as others had. Sling his weapon as opposed to having it in hand. Not point his weapon in Rosenbaum’s direction, or close enough to have the barrel grabbed by him, which is alleged but unproven.

It wasn't his fault that his weapon was close enough for Rosenbaum to grab it. Rosenbaum made sure to close the distance in spite of the fact that Rittenhouse was running away from him.

Use another defensive measure other that shoot 4 times into a guy who threw a plastic bag at him.

What other defensive measure? I'm serious about that.

Even so, I'm not asking about Kyle Rittenhouse. I'm asking YOU: What would YOU have done if you were chased down by someone who had threatened to kill you, then that person tried to forcibly take your firearm from you, as the gunpowder evidence clearly proved?

The point is that Rittenhouse did just about everything wrong. It’s hard to rationalize his go-to of ‘shoot first’ as his only option. Two times, at that.

"Shoot first" WASN'T his only option. The first option he chose was to run away entirely. A miscreant chose to deny him the opportunity to exit the situation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

When he tripped, he righted himself and immediately aimed at people approaching him.

APPROACHING him?? You mean, running him down?

No attempt at hands up, or anything else. What would you expect anyone close to him would think that he was going to do?

Raising the rifle WAS his attempt at "hands up." Which makes their attempts to close the distance to him anyway, not to mention their subsequent attacks, all the more insane.

You can’t tell me that a man carrying a gun in the ready position and running down the street has any expectation of fearing for his life any more so than anyone else around him that he hasn’t already shot yet.

If he's being chased down by a mob of rioters after one of their number had already tried to kill him and another one bashes the back of his head, then yes, he does have have an expectation of fearing for his life.

You ask what Rittenhouse was expected to think. He probably should have engaged in thinking well before that point; regardless, the crowd seems to have reacted as expected, as well. Especially if someone’s first action after tripping is to right himself and point a weapon at the crowd.

If he hadn't pointed a weapon at "the crowd," he'd probably be dead right now. Are you saying that if he hadn't pointed a weapon at "the crowd," then the crowd would've immediately lost their bloodlust and politely refrained from head kicking him, skateboard-bashing him, and attempting to shoot him?

Indeed. If only there was some way--some way at all--for the shooter to have avoided shooting people dead. . .

You're right. He could've just allowed them to kill him. Yes, I'm sure that was the proper choice (you know, sort of like how a rape victim doesn't have to defend herself against her rapist).

[Father Francis]

Is there footage of fake ass "EMT" Rittenhouse saving the neighborhood by preventing a gas station terrorist attack? I've seen videos of the dumpster fire and didn't see Kyle in it.

Not to mention him practically having an orgasm the day before about the thought of shooting a shoplifter with his AR15... Death for shoplifting...

Being a licensed medical professional and being from a big military family, I really have no tolerance for people pretending to have a medical license or acting like they have the knowledge and authority to police the streets.

He should at the least pay for that crime, and it is a serious crime.

At best this is state sanctioned preplanned vigilante justice. Not much different from a mob of protesters (the protesters, or rioters, or whatever) didn't kill anyone. Not saying that riots are they way to go, but they feel like it's the only recourse when people are downtrodden.

At the worst he showed an interest in hunting "criminals" and got away with it. He is also a coward. The video evidence is actually pretty damning. He ran away and tripped on his way out and shot two people that were clearly trying to stop an active shooter.