Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Binger]

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[Dr. Shades]

Not to mention him practically having an orgasm the day before about the thought of shooting a shoplifter with his AR15... Death for shoplifting...

How do you know it was him in the video?

At best this is state sanctioned preplanned vigilante justice. Not much different from a mob of protesters (the protesters, or rioters, or whatever) didn't kill anyone. Not saying that riots are they way to go, but they feel like it's the only recourse when people are downtrodden.

Their feelings don't allow them to break the law.

At the worst he showed an interest in hunting "criminals" and got away with it.

If so, I'd say that running away from one's quarry is a very novel way of "hunting" it.

He is also a coward.

So, everyone here is wrong? Instead of running away, he should've stood his ground and shot?

The video evidence is actually pretty damning. He ran away and tripped on his way out and shot two people that were clearly trying to stop an active shooter

I find it interesting that a person who is running away and NOT shooting can be considered an "active shooter."

[Jersey Girl]

At the worst he showed an interest in hunting "criminals" and got away with it. He is also a coward. The video evidence is actually pretty damning. He ran away and tripped on his way out and shot two people that were clearly trying to stop an active shooter.

What two people were trying to stop an active shooter?

[canpakes]

He tried to leave the area, as the footage clearly showed. Rosenbaum chased him down anyway.

There has to be a better case for this. Chased him to where? Rittenhouse was literally with other folks but chose to run from them..?

It wasn't his fault that his weapon was close enough for Rosenbaum to grab it. Rosenbaum made sure to close the distance in spite of the fact that Rittenhouse was running away from him.

I’m not sure how most people view it, but it would seem to be my responsibility (‘fault’) to ensure that someone else doesn’t grab my firearm.

What other defensive measure? I'm serious about that.

Rittenhouse was unable to defend himself in any other way aside from discharging a firearm? He’s literally holding a blunt object in his hand, and has fists, too. ; )

If Rosenbaum had taken Rittenhouse’s AR away, what would Rittenhouse have done? Just stand there?

Even so, I'm not asking about Kyle Rittenhouse. I'm asking YOU: What would YOU have done if you were chased down by someone who had threatened to kill you, then that person tried to forcibly take your firearm from you, as the gunpowder evidence clearly proved?

I would not have moved away from the crowds if a threat from a single individual was present. I would have used situational awareness to prevent someone from gaining an advantage in trying to grasp my firearm. Barring that chance, I would fight like hell to keep it from being taken from me.

Do you think that Rosenbaum would have attacked Rittenhouse in a crowd (and Rittenhouse was seen in videos within crowds many times) and stripped his AR off the sling, then shot and killed Kyle, while folks just stood around and watched?

"Shoot first" WASN'T his only option. The first option he chose was to run away entirely. A miscreant chose to deny him the opportunity to exit the situation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Make stupid decisions, then kill someone else for it, I guess.

APPROACHING him?? You mean, running him down?

Same difference. A car approaching you can also run you down.

Grosskreutz actually stopped short of Rittenhouse. Huber passed over Rittenhouse while trying to take the AR. It’s not like Rittenhouse was set upon by a horde of folks.

Raising the rifle WAS his attempt at "hands up." Which makes their attempts to close the distance to him, not to mention their subsequent attacks, all the more insane.

Rifle down and hands up is ‘hands up’ to many people.

If he's being chased down by a mob of rioters after one of their number had already tried to kill him and another one bashes the back of his head, then yes, he does have have an expectation of fearing for his life.

I’ve never disagreed with that.

If he hadn't pointed a weapon at "the crowd," he'd probably be dead right now. Are you saying that if he hadn't pointed a weapon at "the crowd," then the crowd would've immediately lost their bloodlust and politely refrained from head kicking him, skateboard-bashing him, and attempting to shoot him?

I think that he may have taken some good hits, but he wasn’t far from the line of officers when he tripped. Crowds don’t generally beat people to death, especially in that situation. Even Grosskreutz didn’t fire on him at that point; he stopped and stalled. Huber didn’t stop to beat him repeatedly, either, preferring to pass over and try for grabbing the AR. Jumpkick man was already being aimed at by Rittenhouse before he launched into the air with his Bruce Lee attack.

As for ‘bloodlust’, at that point, the only blood drawn was by Rittenhouse.

He could've just allowed them to kill him. Yes, I'm sure that was the proper choice (you know, sort of like how a rape victim doesn't have to defend herself against her rapist).

Don’t stop at rape. Liken it to a bar fight. Sometimes folks shoot other folks in bar fights. That doesn’t mean that it was the necessary or only option.

[canpakes]

OK, so we’re still here:

You’ve shown me a guy who knocked Rittenhouse’s hat off as Rittenhouse continued to run down the street.

We’re still at: No one tripped Rittenhouse. And folks weren’t on him until after he righted himself and pointed a weapon at people close by.

Not sure if that merits shooting at folks. He may have felt his life was in danger, though, given that he had just pumped 4 bullets into some other person.

Looks like the second blow was from the skateboard. First swing was a fist. I will look for the reference to the brick. In the meantime, you can now deal with Dr. Shades' questions, right?
He did not right himself. He was on his back and being attacked. 1:57:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOEyzPJgwZI

You’ve got to keep up. The sequence with Huber has already been discussed and doesn’t match your claim anyway. And I’ve addressed Shades’s questions and his follow up.

And Rittenhouse was literally sitting on his ass, righted up, when he took aim at Jumpkick man, who hadn’t hit the air yet. It’s all there in video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTW2AJE9 ... e=youtu.be

[Binger]

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[Kishkumen]

Likewise, no one deserves to have their lives ended by a young dumb kid with grotesque opinions.

Never said they did.

[Kishkumen]

I think that at the point that he was on the ground after running post Rosenbaum, it was reasonable for Rittenhouse to conclude that his life could be in danger (although I don’t agree with the characterization that he was getting his head bashed in with a skateboard by someone ‘intending to kill him’; the video seems to pretty clearly show Huber striking and attempting to grab the gun while in passing motion away from Rittenhouse, as opposed to stopping and issuing repeated head strikes).

I haven’t been convinced that Rittenhouse needed to believe that his life was in danger from Rosenbaum, who had taunted others but wasn’t seen as a threat by any of them.

Were I on the jury, I would not have voted to convict RIttenhouse of intentional homicide of any of the victims. I do believe, though, that the reckless homicide and endangerment charges could be applicable. But unless I’m going to sit through the entire trial, be privy to all evidence and depending upon whatever any mandatory minimum sentencing requirements were, I won’t commit to the latter two charges.

All of that is still separate from the problems that this situation and trial shed light on, for open carry of long guns in questionable situations vis-a-vis the ‘good guy with a gun vs. the bad guy with a gun’ narrative so often pushed by some firearms fanatics.

I am sorry to say that the law will not protect people from themselves to our satisfaction. Some people will place themselves in grave danger for whatever reason—despair, thrill seeking, need to feel important; and when you get too many people together in one or another of these frames of mind, some kind of injury or loss of life will result.

Given that this is the case, what should we do with the people who survive? Kyle was lucky to make it out alive, and I don’t think he would be better off spending many years in prison. Nor are we better off making him spend many years in prison. It may be the case, however, that stricter penalties should be applied to those who carry weapons illegally in riot situations. That might keep a couple more “heroes” from seeking to insert themselves in these situations.

[Tinfoilhat]

Looks like the second blow was from the skateboard. First swing was a fist. I will look for the reference to the brick. In the meantime, you can now deal with Dr. Shades' questions, right?
He did not right himself. He was on his back and being attacked. 1:57:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOEyzPJgwZI

You’ve got to keep up. The sequence with Huber has already been discussed and doesn’t match your claim anyway. And I’ve addressed Shades’s questions and his follow up.

And Rittenhouse was literally sitting on his ass, righted up, when he took aim at Jumpkick man, who hadn’t hit the air yet. It’s all there in video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTW2AJE9 ... e=youtu.be

You've gotta be kiddin me!! The statement above is why you and K Graham come across as beta males. Let me explain it to you one more time. In the brain of a beta male, it's perfectly fine for a bunch of crazed progressives to go out and riot, burn and loot. Not only that, the beta male brain thinks the rioters shouldn't face any kind of resistance because of, you know, SOCIAL JUSTICE and all that cool crap! The Beta male brain is perfectly fine with burning 100s of cars, burning businesses, dumpsters and so on. In fact, the beta male FEELS like it's his RIGHT to destroy personal property and prove a point to everyone who disagrees with him and his SOCIAL JUSTICE CRUSADE!!! So when someone like Kyle Rittenhouse comes along and offers a differing opinion like, STOP BURNING PEOPLES crap, the beta brain can't handle the differing opinion. You see, the beta brain isn't equipped to process more than one opinion. Only their opinion matters, Only their opinion can SAVE us from ourselves!
Kyle Rittenhouse killed a two beta males looking for trouble and shot another guy who pointed a gun at him. Their beta brains probably convinced them that they were invincible and could do whatever they wanted to without consequence. They died because they chased a guy with an AR15 who was retreating and trying not to shoot them. If you guys can't understand that you're a bunch of dumb fother muckers. Again, for all the beta males reading this!!! Don't chase a guy that is carrying an AR15. Drop kicks and skate boards only work as weapons in video games. !!CAUTION!! BETA MALES! When burning and destroying personal property, don't chase the AR15 guy.

https://youtu.be/zYKpEoCnoYk

https://youtu.be/ULKliErI2IA


https://youtu.be/XkIqEIecCWg
More beta male progressives upset that a jury didn't see the Rittenhouse trial the same way their demented brains did.

Progressive Media lies exposed
https://youtu.be/K-oD2P7kWN0

[Kishkumen]

That is some hilarious crap you wrote there, Tinfoilhat! Thanks for the entertainment.