Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Kukulkan]

In your mind, what was the likely outcome of Rosenbaum catching up to Rittenhouse if Rittenhouse did not shoot him?

Also, who was the aggressor? Kyle or Rosenbaum in this situation?

Depends. If he threw the gun down and surrendered prior to being caught up with, I think it would most likely have ended with words. Then Ro would have to decide if he's gonna pick up that gun and become a target for LE.

K wasn't a member of a rival gang. He was a weenie and no glory for beating the guy up. Once owned and separated from his gun, I don't think there would be much incentive to go farther. There's more risk legal risk for beating up a much younger kid who doesn't appear to have ties to the street -- gangs, drugs etc.

If he lost control of the gun when Ro grabbed it, I think that could have led to getting pushed to the ground or punched, but I give a full-blown beating 1 in 10 odds, and hospitalization or death, lower than 1 in 100.

Ro was clearly the aggressor when he pursued a guy who was running away.

I think we fundamentally disagree at what Rosenbaum would have done it he had reached Rittenhouse. I disagree with your assessment but I respect it.

[canpakes]

Aww. That’s pretty.

This is a better fit for you:



Use it the next time you want to travel to town to play ‘militia’, and need to shoot folks throwing plastic bags at you. Afterwards, you and Mike can tell everyone about your alpha male status.

[doubtingthomas]

Kukulkan answered the question on the 7th post of page 84 in this thread.

Let me ask you something else. Did Rittenhouse have the opportunity to run away?

[doubtingthomas]

Who pointed a gun first?

Mr. Ziminski.

Was it before Rittenhouse shot the other guys? Or after?

[Kukulkan]

What was reasonable was Kyle assuming that jump kick man, Huber, and Grosskreutz were going to cause him great bodily harm or death considering they were kicking him, hitting him with a skateboard

That crap happens every day in middle schools and high schools.

and aiming a gun at him.

Who pointed a gun first?

I don't think it's reasonable to assume someone running down the street open carrying a rifle is an active shooter.

A lot of police officers make that assumption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

I don't think a 16 year old can cause the same physical damage as a 30 year old man. I don't believe there was any evidence that Kyle was aiming his gun at anyone prior to the Rosenbaum interaction that started it all off. Grosskreutz, the individual with the pistol that ran up on Rittenhouse while he was on the ground testified during the trial that Rittenhouse ONLY fired his gun after Grosskreutz had aimed his at Rittenhouse. His own words. You don't get to run up on someone with a gun, feign surrender and then shoot them and claim it was self defense.

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[Kukulkan]

There seem to be a lot of hot takes here without an understanding of the basic facts of the trial...

[canpakes]

I don't follow the logic. How is Rittenhouse, who ran away from his aggressors and only resorted to using force when absolutely necessary, comparable to Rosenbaum and others who actively ran towards Rittenhouse and were quick to attempt or use force against Rittenhouse. They seem very incomparable to me.

There are actually two questions to consider.

If folks chase after someone who just shot another, arguably in an attempt to disarm him, are they aggressors?

Does being labeled an aggressor mean that the person so labeled intends to kill anyone?