Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[honorentheos]

Let me remind you that the populist framing isn't one sided based on political leaning. It's based on the framing of the corrupt elite oppressing the pure common people.

The rioters among the protestors and the vigilantes larping as law enforcement were both bringing similar views about the state of the world into conflict that only differs based on which side represents the corrupt elite.

Both are attacks on civil society.

Were there rioters in Kenosha on that fateful night?

Are populists on this board sock-puppeting as a defense attorney?

[Binger]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Chap]

So ... "Binger" is not really the prosecuting attorney.

He was only pretending all the time, so he could treat us all to a series of hilariously amusing posts!! Who knew???

I suppose that sooner or later all his posts will be be replaced by '50 cents' or 'Gorilla' or whatever. So enjoy them while you can.

[Some Schmo]

Are populists on this board sock-puppeting as a defense attorney?

Seems that way. My ignore list has never been this long. As soon as I see a new avatar saying something stupid, I assume it's another sock puppet from one of our resident idiots and add it to the list.

[honorentheos]

You saw the video where he told the reporter why he was there, including lying about being an EMT, right.

Define enforcing justice. We know that applying a bandage is not enforcing justice, that lying on your resume is not, and putting out a fire is not.

So what is it?

Are you saying that you feel Kyle wasn't a vigilante while carrying a firearm as a member of a posse larping as LE? Or, more likely, you want me to slip into discussing the shooting. The shooting has no bearing on Kyle being a vigilante that night.

[Tinfoilhat]

From my point of view, they definitely should not have done so, but I would contend that Kyle Rittenhouse was not the needed remedy. I suspect this verdict will embolden even more vigilante shooters.

I think the fact that rioters managed to cause 50 million dollars in damage, with around 40 businesses completely burned down, surely indicates that police did not have the situation under control and that some form of vigilantism was required to maintain some semblance of order. See my Roof Koreans example above.

The icing on the cake is that the business that Kyle was defending was owned by POC, and that the rioters were burning down the town in the name of 'BLM'. Who is the real white supremacist in this situation?

Exactly!! The businesses that the mostly white rioters were burning down were owned by a large percentage of POC. The only person I've heard so far in 100s of videos using the word "nigga" is Joseph Rosenbaum. He kept saying it over and over. It amazes me that to think like an insane progressive these days you have to accept that up is down and down is up. Right is left and left is right. 2+2=5 and 2x2=10. They're nuckin futs I tell ya!!

[honorentheos]

I think the fact that rioters managed to cause 50 million dollars in damage, with around 40 businesses completely burned down, surely indicates that police did not have the situation under control and that some form of vigilantism was required to maintain some semblance of order. See my Roof Koreans example above.

The icing on the cake is that the business that Kyle was defending was owned by POC, and that the rioters were burning down the town in the name of 'BLM'. Who is the real white supremacist in this situation?

Exactly!! The businesses that the mostly white rioters were burning down were owned by a large percentage of POC. The only person I've heard so far in 100s of videos using the word "nigga" is Joseph Rosenbaum. He kept saying it over and over. It amazes me that to think like an insane progressive these days you have to accept that up is down and down is up. Right is left and left is right. 2+2=5 and 2x2=10. They're nuckin futs I tell ya!!

All you idiots taking sides in this break down of society are damned nuts.

[Kishkumen]

At the end of the day the thing to take away from this situation is not a tool for solving ideological squabbles but some ideas about how to do better in the future. Of course, this kind of thing simply will happen on occasion. We have a gun-friendly culture, and that horse left the barn a long time ago. At this point in time, it would be incredibly risky to try to turn the gun situation around, so I think it is a better idea to try to find different solutions to our cultural and societal sickness.

It is madness to keep provoking the gun issue. It is clear that as liberals have become more anxious about guns, conservatives have become more aggressive about guns. Honestly, I grew up with guns, so I am not all that worried about the guns themselves. If we are going to be surrounded by lunatics, we might as well be armed and proficient ourselves, unless we are too emotional about the whole thing. A gun is a tool. Its misuse is an evil. I am not exactly a pacifist, so I would have no problem squeezing the trigger if my life were at risk.

One thing that would be nice to see is for us all to accommodate ourselves to risk, or individually find less risky places if we cannot do so. If it is that important for me to be in a place that has no guns, maybe it is time to move to such a place. I live in the American South, so there are guns all around, and yet I don't really feel all that anxious about it. Of course, I was always the kid who liked military stuff and I liked to shoot guns, so there you have it. Maybe I am just the kind of person who is not all that upset about them.

What I have seen over time is that certain people seek out extra risk. I look at everyone involved in this situation, and I see a bunch of people who probably didn't think carefully before they put themselves in harm's way. I am not happy that this came back to bite them in the ass, including Kyle himself, but this is the way of things. You go out and look for trouble, and don't be surprised, please, if you find it. People who have already been convicted of crimes are probably, statistically speaking, more likely to find themselves in new trouble. A seventeen-year-old kid who owns an AR15? LOL! I mean, I owned regular rifles, but I never owned a handgun or an AR15, especially at the age of 17. Kyle was the kind of kid who was looking to jump into the mix. Really, there are no surprises here. He just turned out to be a lot more effective with his weapon than his attackers were wise.

When I briefly worked in the Utah state prison at Draper, I got a pretty good sense of how it is that people end up in prison. The factors are complicated, but risk seeking behavior and poor impulse control are often among those factors.

Michael Moore, love him or hate him, called it a long, long time ago. The media finds it very profitable to stir up crap. This thing with Kyle and the people he shot is a story, sure, but it is not all that everyone has made it out to be. In some ways it is a lot more boring than the media would have it. Put together a lot of people with poor judgment who want to be in the thick of excitement and play hero or something, and this is what you get. I think we can be happy that there were no truly innocent victims here. There were a lot of dummies doing dumb crap.

[Kukulkan]

Exactly!! The businesses that the mostly white rioters were burning down were owned by a large percentage of POC. The only person I've heard so far in 100s of videos using the word "nigga" is Joseph Rosenbaum. He kept saying it over and over. It amazes me that to think like an insane progressive these days you have to accept that up is down and down is up. Right is left and left is right. 2+2=5 and 2x2=10. They're nuckin futs I tell ya!!

All you idiots taking sides in this break down of society are damned nuts.

I could be wrong but I don't think people are advocating for armed citizens to regularly patrol streets and such. This was an incredibly unique situation. The closest thing I can think of that is remotely similar was the Roof Koreans during the LA Riots. I don't think that defending ones property is 'nuts'. Should Kyle have been there? No. Should the rioters have been there? No. I think we all agree it was dumb as “F” for anyone to be there that night. Despite that, I can understand the need for business owners to align themselves with right-leaning militias considering according to their own testimony, police weren't doing anything about the rioters burning down their livelihoods.

[Kukulkan]

At the end of the day the thing to take away from this situation is not a tool for solving ideological squabbles but some ideas about how to do better in the future. Of course, this kind of thing simply will happen on occasion. We have a gun-friendly culture, and that horse left the barn a long time ago. At this point in time, it would be incredibly risky to try to turn the gun situation around, so I think it is a better idea to try to find different solutions to our cultural and societal sickness.

It is madness to keep provoking the gun issue. It is clear that as liberals have become more anxious about guns, conservatives have become more aggressive about guns. Honestly, I grew up with guns, so I am not all that worried about the guns themselves. If we are going to be surrounded by lunatics, we might as well be armed and proficient ourselves, unless we are too emotional about the whole thing. A gun is a tool. Its misuse is an evil. I am not exactly a pacifist, so I would have no problem squeezing the trigger if my life were at risk.

One thing that would be nice to see is for us all to accommodate ourselves to risk, or individually find less risky places if we cannot do so. If it is that important for me to be in a place that has no guns, maybe it is time to move to such a place. I live in the American South, so there are guns all around, and yet I don't really feel all that anxious about it. Of course, I was always the kid who liked military stuff and I liked to shoot guns, so there you have it. Maybe I am just the kind of person who is not all that upset about them.

What I have seen over time is that certain people seek out extra risk. I look at everyone involved in this situation, and I see a bunch of people who probably didn't think carefully before they put themselves in harm's way. I am not happy that this came back to bite them in the ass, including Kyle himself, but this is the way of things. You go out and look for trouble, and don't be surprised, please, if you find it. People who have already been convicted of crimes are probably, statistically speaking, more likely to find themselves in new trouble. A seventeen-year-old kid who owns an AR15? LOL! I mean, I owned regular rifles, but I never owned a handgun or an AR15, especially at the age of 17. Kyle was the kind of kid who was looking to jump into the mix. Really, there are no surprises here. He just turned out to be a lot more effective with his weapon than his attackers were wise.

When I briefly worked in the Utah state prison at Draper, I got a pretty good sense of how it is that people end up in prison. The factors are complicated, but risk seeking behavior and poor impulse control are often among those factors.

Michael Moore, love him or hate him, called it a long, long time ago. The media finds it very profitable to stir up crap. This thing with Kyle and the people he shot is a story, sure, but it is not all that everyone has made it out to be. In some ways it is a lot more boring than the media would have it. Put together a lot of people with poor judgment who want to be in the thick of excitement and play hero or something, and this is what you get. I think we can be happy that there were no truly innocent victims here. There were a lot of dummies doing dumb crap.

I agree with everything said here.