Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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You all know the trial is over, right? Who is still simmering in their ideological states?

[Binger]

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[Chap]

You all know the trial is over, right? Who is still simmering in their ideological states?

A trial is not like an election, where one accepts the verdict (unless one has lost and is Donald Trump) and moves on to deal with the subsequent situation, while looking forward to the next election.

A trial verdict can have legal implications that may impact future trials, and it may be important to discuss what those implications may be. That is not a case of people "simmering in their ideological states", but of people asking "Hmm, if that guy was acquitted, on that evidence, then where now are the boundaries of what a person carrying a firearm can innocently do in a situation of disorder? And should the law be changed to clarify where those boundaries are?"

[drumdude]

You all know the trial is over, right? Who is still simmering in their ideological states?

A trial is not like an election, where one accepts the verdict (unless one has lost and is Donald Trump) and moves on to deal with the subsequent situation, while looking forward to the next election.

A trial verdict can have legal implications that may impact future trials, and it may be important to discuss what those implications may be. That is not a case of people "simmering in their ideological states", but of people asking "Hmm, if that guy was acquitted, on that evidence, then where now are the boundaries of what a person carrying a firearm can innocently do in a situation of disorder? And should the law be changed to clarify where those boundaries are?"

Are you referring to Kyle supposedly pointing the gun to provoke the encounter? 12 people who sat in the court room for 2 weeks didn't see it and neither did I.

Or are you saying no one should be allowed to be armed during a protest/rioting/looting in their communities?

I think you really have to stretch this to say it has any precedent setting ability.

[Chap]

Disagreeing with you on the need to consider the implications of the Rittenhouse verdict carefully does not, however, mean one is "simmering in [one's] ideological state", which was the phrase you used.

[Dr Exiled]

Disagreeing with you on the need to consider the implications of the Rittenhouse verdict carefully does not, however, mean one is "simmering in [one's] ideological state", which was the phrase you used.

Yes, the trial and subsequent verdict isn't merely about politics, and shouldn't be, although the media sure wants it to be. Hopefully, we can get away from that as the accused deserves a trial on the merits and not on the politics of the day.

[Gadianton]

Or are you saying no one should be allowed to be armed during a protest/rioting/looting in their communities?

This is exactly what I'm saying, mainly with open carry and especially open carrying an AR-15 with a 30 round clip while floating around the streets or business perimeter. Holing up inside a private business? Not sure where I'm at on that one. Concealed carry? Not sure.

Doesn't matter what I think because open carry isn't going away any time soon. I will make a few points:

- nobody on this forum, including Cultellus, Ajax, and A-Mike will ever be seen strapping an AR-15 to their shoulder to protect a business during a riot.
- allowing somebody like K who doesn't know what they're doing to protect your business is basically abuse of that person.
- While I've seen a lot of congratulating of K from the right in a limited respect, maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen anyone saying it was a smart thing to do and that more people need to go and do likewise; not Tucker, not the NRA commentary (that I've seen).
- K got lucky, essentially exploiting a vulnerability in our societal psyche. Nobody expected a nerdy white kid to go soldier of fortune and kill everyone who came at him with a high-capacity AR-15 and be fully exonerated. People will update their expectations, and the next G-G will either leave their gun at home, or be prepared to shoot to kill and not mock charge a deadly adversary: we won't see this scenario again.
- I'm just as happy using this incident to clamp down on if not eliminate protests. I think protests are stupid and just asking for trouble. With the Internet, people can get their message out there just fine, and all protests do is give news agencies material if chaos happens to erupt. If a protest is peaceful, then barely anybody hears about it and reached by the protest message.

[Res Ipsa]

Or are you saying no one should be allowed to be armed during a protest/rioting/looting in their communities?

This is exactly what I'm saying, mainly with open carry and especially open carrying an AR-15 with a 30 round clip while floating around the streets or business perimeter. Holing up inside a private business? Not sure where I'm at on that one. Concealed carry? Not sure.

Doesn't matter what I think because open carry isn't going away any time soon. I will make a few points:

- nobody on this forum, including Cultellus, Ajax, and A-Mike will ever be seen strapping an AR-15 to their shoulder to protect a business during a riot.
- allowing somebody like K who doesn't know what they're doing to protect your business is basically abuse of that person.
- While I've seen a lot of congratulating of K from the right in a limited respect, maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen anyone saying it was a smart thing to do and that more people need to go and do likewise; not Tucker, not the NRA commentary (that I've seen).
- K got lucky, essentially exploiting a vulnerability in our societal psyche. Nobody expected a nerdy white kid to go soldier of fortune and kill everyone who came at him with a high-capacity AR-15 and be fully exonerated. People will update their expectations, and the next G-G will either leave their gun at home, or be prepared to shoot to kill and not mock charge a deadly adversary: we won't see this scenario again.
- I'm just as happy using this incident to clamp down on if not eliminate protests. I think protests are stupid and just asking for trouble. With the Internet, people can get their message out there just fine, and all protests do is give news agencies material if chaos happens to erupt. If a protest is peaceful, then barely anybody hears about it and reached by the protest message.

I think there’s a tiny first amendment problem lurking in your last paragraph.

[Gadianton]

you mean eliminate protests? That's probably true but nevertheless, it's still my opinion.

[Res Ipsa]

you mean eliminate protests? That's probably true but nevertheless, it's still my opinion.

Yes. Freedom of assembly. Maybe it’s not what you had in mind, but the state clamping down on that right is associated in my mind with some ugly images.