Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:23 pm
Some Schmo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:09 pm
If this happens, the political backlash will be fierce. This is the one thing I could see upending GOP chances of taking control of anything in the midterms. People will go nuts.
To all new readers. Throughout this thread you're going to be reading post written by mostly white men. White men who support aborting babies of color. Which means they agree with Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood who said this about black people ,""we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.""
Here's a video
https://youtu.be/gGd_lrj06kM of a lady who's mom had an appointment with an abortion clinic already set up and thankfully was talked out of having an abortion by the Janitor, not the DOCTOR, the janitor.
New readers, as you read the post by mostly white men in this thread, remember, black babies are aborted five times that of white babies and 80% of Planned Parenthood facilities are within walking distance for people of color and 60% are in minority zip codes.
Hi Mike. Margaret Sanger is perhaps one of the most misquoted or misleadingly quoted individuals in American history. And, for the most part in modern America, it’s part of a malicious strategy to demonize Planned Parenthood.
To understand Sanger, you have to put her in the context of her time. This is before the Griswold case. States could and did make birth control illegal. The legal relationship between husband and wife resulted in women having no control over whether or not to have children. Her primary focus was on giving women the right to choose whether or not to have a child.
Sanger believed that one of the detrimental effects of not allowing women to choose was crushing poverty among the black populations in the South, exacerbated by the need to support large families. She viewed giving women autonomy over whether or how many children to have as a tool that some could choose to use to lift themselves and their families out of poverty.
An important part of the Sanger's context is the division among black folks in the U.S. as to how to remedy their plight. This division is probably best illustrated by contrasting two black leaders of the time, W.E. du Bois and Marcus Garvey. du Bois believed that the solution lay in achieving equal rights for black folks and an integrated U.S. Garvey, who didn't trust white folks to ever do the right thing, argued that the solution was racial separation (not segregation) and championed the back to Africa movement, which would allow black folks to control their own destiny. That division continued through time and was represented in the 1960s in the different approaches of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X.
Garvey, who didn't trust white folks, portrayed birth control as a way for white people to control the black population. Sanger, who saw giving black women control over their own reproduction as positive, was aware of what Garvey was telling black folks about birth control. The letter that contains the quote you lifted discusses Sanger's concern that Garvey and his followers were attributing false motives to her and her efforts. Here's a more complete passage:
It seems to me from my experience . . . in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us.
The minister's work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (Sanger, 1939, December).
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files ... Sanger.pdf
Nothing in Sanger's speeches or writings shows evidence of a desire to exterminate black folks. She was all about giving women control over whether or not to have children using birth control as the tool. The letter discusses her concerns that black folks would distrust white doctors because of Garvey and his followers. She was advocating having black doctors advise black women to avoid racial mistrust. Likewise, she was counting on black ministers to counter Garvey's claims about birth control.
One thing also to remember: Sanger lived at the height of the eugenics movement in the U.S. And, like many prominent figures of her time, she expressed some support for some use of eugenics. But she never advocated using eugenics to exterminate black folks.
So, the implication that Sanger was a racist who promoted birth control to exterminate black folks is 100% false.
Your argument about racial discrepancies in who get abortions is interesting. You seem to be arguing that disparate impact proves racism, even if that impact is based on the free choices of women. In other words, you are making an argument based on structural racism. One might even say you are promoting Critical Race Theory. If you were consistent in arguing that disparate impact was evidence of racisim –– for example in employment statistics, incarceration statistics, university admission statistics, etc., I'd take your argument seriously. Given your posting history, it looks like a cynical attempt for you, a white man, to speak for black women and argue that they should be deprived of their reproductive freedom because you don't like the choices they make. Not a very solid argument.
LIkewise with the location of Planned Parenthood clinics. You are making the classic mistake of confusing correlation with causation. The focus of Planned Parenthood's mission is to provide reproductive health care services to poor women who wouldn't otherwise have access to those health care services. So, it would make sense to locate their clinics close to the clientele – poor women. What you've stumbled on is the fact that poverty has a disparate impact on black folks as compared to white folks. If you truly believe that disparate impact proves racism, you should be focussed on the aspects of society that economically disfavor black folks rather than take away black women's freedom.
