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From the linked letter in previous post:
However, we are deeply concerned about the unintended consequences of recent well-intentioned approaches to reform mathematics education, particularly the California Mathematics Framework (CMF). Such frameworks aim to reduce achievement gaps by limiting the availability of advanced mathematical courses to middle schoolers and beginning high schoolers. While such reforms superficially seem “successful” at reducing disparities at the high school level, they are merely “kicking the can” to college. While it is possible to succeed in STEM at college without taking advanced courses in high school, it is more challenging. College students who need to spend their early years taking introductory math courses may require more time to graduate. They may need to give up other opportunities and are more likely to struggle academically. Such a reform would disadvantage K-12 public school students in the United States compared with their international and private-school peers. It may lead to a de facto privatization of advanced mathematics K-12 education and disproportionately harm students with fewer resources.
It might be well to read the whole letter.

https://sites.google.com/view/k12mathmatters/home

And you don’t think WOKE STEAM scorecards don’t play a part?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:54 am
Marcus wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:12 pm


the part about the toolkit is simply not true.


But that bit I enlarged about canceling math principles is just laughable.
Here’s the direct link to the scorecard used to evaluates STEAM curriculum:

https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/sites/defaul ... 281%29.pdf

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Yes, I used the link too. But here’s what you quoted:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:28 pm

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ation.html
From this source:
For example, a toolkit provided on New York University's Steinhardt Metropolitan Center for Research on Equity and the Transformation of Schools' website asks teams to assess math curricula from the standpoint of the diversity of ethnicity and sex identification.
My point is, Using your own link, it is clear you are quoting a statement that is not true.
The Culturally Responsive Curriculum Scorecards were designed by the NYU Metro Center to help parents, teachers, students, and community members determine the extent to which their schools’ English Language Art, Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, and Mathematics (STEAM) curricula are (or are not) culturally responsive.
https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/metrocenter/ ... scorecards
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:54 am
Here’s the direct link to the scorecard used to evaluates STEAM curriculum:

https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/sites/defaul ... 281%29.pdf

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MG 2.0, what if for every hour spent talking about critical race theory, we required two hours of reading in the Deseret News and the Klansman?
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MG,

The American Thinker article makes several claims about critical race theory but without a single citation. It fails to provide an actual, specific, real-world example of what is allegedly being taught in a real school.

Marcus beat me to it, but the AT article makes broad and absurd claims like this:
Even at prestigious private schools, the principles of physics, such as Newton's Laws, are being canceled or renamed
Doesn't that strike you as an extraordinary claim that needs some backing up? Are you really this gullible? Please show me where a real school "cancelled" the laws of physics for not being PC, and as part of executing critical race theory. You can't because it never happened, and it's not going to happen -- the claim is absurd on its face.

I'm sorry, but you're a fool. An utter fool. A completely gullible rube for believing this trash without a shred of skepticism. It's quite insulting to me personally that you think such a garbage dump of hyperventilating might influence me.

I'm not saying that I like critical race theory, I actually don't know much about it. I know a little about critical theory and it's not my cup of tea, but I do see the appeal of critical theory and postmodernism in the context of sociology and social commentary.

I clicked on the middle link from the Federalist, and it's from 2016. Another right-wing rag lifting its material from yet another right-wing rag, which in turn has zero source documentation. It would take other sources not provided by you to see that Valeria Silva (allegedly) hired Pacific Education to come up with a new discipline program, which (allegedly) draws upon critical race theory. Even if this is true, we need to distinguish between critical race theory influencing the administration of schools, and critical race theory being taught in the classroom. The original outrage was over critical race theory being taught in Utah schools, which obviously isn't happening -- or at least, MG has failed to cite any evidence that it is happening. From the failed Utah claim, we've gone to critical race theory being taught outside of Utah, to it being taught in California -- several years from now.

And now we're ditching critical race theory being taught anywhere, and looking at how critical race theory is affecting school administrators, or at least we're setting up a scene where critical race theory is being associated with other failed policies constructed to help minorities. If there is a diabolical connection between critical race theory and failing equity programs, it's a slog to figure that out because most of the material is provided by right-wing outrage mags that are low on source material and high on invective. The silva incident would warrant some investigation, but there appears to be at least as much of a case that the failures in St. Paul are linked to Silva running her own game without enough support from the teachers themselves; not that the battle plan was inherently faulty. Perhaps the battle plan was faulty, but quick Google searches aren't turning much up to help.

I'm not ambitious enough to drop 36$ on this, but I'm thinking the best chance of connecting critical race theory to public education policy will be found in this book:

https://us.corwin.com/en-us/nam/courage ... book276278

I think with MG's level of outrage and intense interest, and being "woken up" as a "sleeping giant" -- the right-wing version of woke, that he should drop 36$ on this book and read it. Read about the battle plan from the horses mouth, rather than taking the word of right-wing panic rags that don't source anything.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Re: Mormons and Critical Race Theory

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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:31 am
MG,

The American Thinker article makes several claims about critical race theory but without a single citation. It fails to provide an actual, specific, real-world example of what is allegedly being taught in a real school.

Marcus beat me to it, but the AT article makes broad and absurd claims like this:
Even at prestigious private schools, the principles of physics, such as Newton's Laws, are being canceled or renamed
Doesn't that strike you as an extraordinary claim that needs some backing up? Are you really this gullible? Please show me where a real school "cancelled" the laws of physics for not being PC, and as part of executing critical race theory. You can't because it never happened, and it's not going to happen -- the claim is absurd on its face.

I'm sorry, but you're a fool. An utter fool. A completely gullible rube for believing this trash without a shred of skepticism. It's quite insulting to me personally that you think such a garbage dump of hyperventilating might influence me.

I'm not saying that I like critical race theory, I actually don't know much about it. I know a little about critical theory and it's not my cup of tea, but I do see the appeal of critical theory and postmodernism in the context of sociology and social commentary.

I clicked on the middle link from the Federalist, and it's from 2016. Another right-wing rag lifting its material from yet another right-wing rag, which in turn has zero source documentation. It would take other sources not provided by you to see that Valeria Silva (allegedly) hired Pacific Education to come up with a new discipline program, which (allegedly) draws upon critical race theory. Even if this is true, we need to distinguish between critical race theory influencing the administration of schools, and critical race theory being taught in the classroom. The original outrage was over critical race theory being taught in Utah schools, which obviously isn't happening -- or at least, MG has failed to cite any evidence that it is happening. From the failed Utah claim, we've gone to critical race theory being taught outside of Utah, to it being taught in California -- several years from now.

And now we're ditching critical race theory being taught anywhere, and looking at how critical race theory is affecting school administrators, or at least we're setting up a scene where critical race theory is being associated with other failed policies constructed to help minorities. If there is a diabolical connection between critical race theory and failing equity programs, it's a slog to figure that out because most of the material is provided by right-wing outrage mags that are low on source material and high on invective. The silva incident would warrant some investigation, but there appears to be at least as much of a case that the failures in St. Paul are linked to Silva running her own game without enough support from the teachers themselves; not that the battle plan was inherently faulty. Perhaps the battle plan was faulty, but quick Google searches aren't turning much up to help.

I'm not ambitious enough to drop 36$ on this, but I'm thinking the best chance of connecting critical race theory to public education policy will be found in this book:

https://us.corwin.com/en-us/nam/courage ... book276278

I think with MG's level of outrage and intense interest, and being "woken up" as a "sleeping giant" -- the right-wing version of woke, that he should drop 36$ on this book and read it. Read about the battle plan from the horses mouth, rather than taking the word of right-wing panic rags that don't source anything.
Glenn Singleton is the author.

Check this out:

https://welcomingwhiteness.org/tag/glenn-e-singleton/

Watch the first video. The Color Line Exercise.

At the root of Glenn Singleton’s views some would say are Marxist Oppression/Oppressor doctrines. Divisionary strategies to separate white folks from black folks. All done without actual solutions. Doc, you’ll find your cute chart at this link also with a critical review.

Gadianton, you can call me foolish/fool all you want. That doesn’t distort the facts. Are there going to be some inaccurate assumptions made on both sides of this national conversation we’re having? Sure. American Thinker may not get everything right. But if you read the letter I posted from California educators:

https://sites.google.com/view/k12mathmatters/home

…and experts you may find yourself asking what is at the root of a deficient and inadequate educational system that is not preparing students for post high school education? Are there important concepts and methods for solving and working with mathematical computations being left out of the curriculum because of the origins of those concepts/methods? I don’t know that for a fact. But knowing that there are folks in power centers trying to dictate curriculum based on their ideas of political correctness makes me wonder.

Scorecards=division and political correctness.

Anyway, I think I’ll leave it at that. I’ve posted and said what I’ve said without any regrets. You can call me what you will, but I’ll let my words and those linked to speak for themselves. Without reservation? No. But on the whole, yes.

It’s always easy to poke holes in what another poster has presented rather than look at the overall argument. Personally, I see more than a couple of holes in critical race theory, it’s origins, and possible applications.

Utah and Idaho are taking preemptive action. Good for them.

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One more quote:
Another deeply worrisome trend is devaluing essential mathematical tools such as calculus and algebra in favor of seemingly more modern “data science.” As STEM professionals and educators we should be sympathetic to this approach, and yet, we reject it wholeheartedly. The ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data is indeed transforming our society. But “data science” - computer science, statistics, and artificial intelligence- is built on the foundations of algebra, calculus, and logical thinking. While these mathematical fields are centuries old and sometimes more, they are arguably even more critical for today’s grand challenges than in the Sputnik era.

https://sites.google.com/view/k12mathmatters/home
Why in the world would algebra and calculus be ‘boogy manned’ by the powers that be? Maybe American Thinker was NOT off base. Maybe I’m NOT so foolish. 😉

Are the Fathers of algebra and calculus ‘approved’ by the WOKE?

Deserves digging deeper. Maybe some else is up for it.

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canpakes wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:51 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:28 pm

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ation.html

From this source:

These links are just for starters and illustration. Critical race theory is impacting overall quality education.
Marcus wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:12 pm
the part about the toolkit is simply not true.

Agree, with Marcus.

MG, I would ask you to provide a case for this allegation (bold text). Otherwise, it looks like you’re just buying into bad partisan rhetoric that isn’t based on truth.
I dunno. How deeply have YOU dug into this? American Thinker might be closer to the target than anything you’ve heard…or not heard…on CNN.

The letter I’ve linked to gives some small indication that the folks at American Thinker might be closer to the mark than one might think at first blush. Some things just ain’t being taught anymore.

Why?

By the way, I sent three complaints your way on this thread for moderation. How does a moderator moderate with prejudice against the complainant? If anyone can, you can…yet…

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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:31 am
MG,

The American Thinker article makes several claims about critical race theory but without a single citation. It fails to provide an actual, specific, real-world example of what is allegedly being taught in a real school.

Marcus beat me to it, but the AT article makes broad and absurd claims like this:
Even at prestigious private schools, the principles of physics, such as Newton's Laws, are being canceled or renamed
Doesn't that strike you as an extraordinary claim that needs some backing up? Are you really this gullible? Please show me where a real school "cancelled" the laws of physics for not being PC, and as part of executing critical race theory. You can't because it never happened, and it's not going to happen -- the claim is absurd on its face.

I'm sorry, but you're a fool. An utter fool. A completely gullible rube for believing this trash without a shred of skepticism. It's quite insulting to me personally that you think such a garbage dump of hyperventilating might influence me.
Algebra, calculus, and logical reasoning being deemphasized or left out completely according to those that ought to know?

Hmm…who’s the real fool for not digging a bit deeper? Granted, we can go deeper still…but you simply took what you read and trashed it out of hand.

Typical liberal. Know it all. More than the poor deplorables.

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Re: Mormons and Critical Race Theory

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:29 am
One more quote:
Another deeply worrisome trend is devaluing essential mathematical tools such as calculus and algebra in favor of seemingly more modern “data science.” As STEM professionals and educators we should be sympathetic to this approach, and yet, we reject it wholeheartedly. The ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data is indeed transforming our society. But “data science” - computer science, statistics, and artificial intelligence- is built on the foundations of algebra, calculus, and logical thinking. While these mathematical fields are centuries old and sometimes more, they are arguably even more critical for today’s grand challenges than in the Sputnik era.

https://sites.google.com/view/k12mathmatters/home
Why in the world would algebra and calculus be ‘boogy manned’ by the powers that be? Maybe American Thinker was NOT off base. Maybe I’m NOT so foolish. 😉

Are the Fathers of algebra and calculus ‘approved’ by the WOKE?

Deserves digging deeper. Maybe some else is up for it.

Regards,
MG
Good grief. Do you even read what you randomly Google?

I'm guessing you saw this sentence:
We all also share the urgent concern that the benefits of a robust mathematical education, and the career opportunities it opens up, should be shared more widely between students of all backgrounds, regardless of race, gender, and economic status....
and stopped reading so you could throw up your comment.

The problem is you didn't actually notice what they were talking about. The very next sentence points out their issue:
However, we are deeply concerned about the unintended consequences of recent well-intentioned approaches to reform mathematics education, particularly the California Mathematics Framework (CMF). Such frameworks aim to reduce achievement gaps by limiting the availability of advanced mathematical courses to middle schoolers and beginning high schoolers.
The statement has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue under discussion. NOTHING. The quote you cherry picked about data science is in no way providing support for your nonsensical assertion that calculus and geometry risk being booted due to race considerations.

Your statement is ridiculous on the face of it, but to try to back it up with a randomly googled source you know nothing about is nothing more than intellectual sophistry.
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I was wondering how we went from critical race theory to whatever California is doing with Math.

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