Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[Moksha]

Okay, you may be small potatoes today and hardly anyone knows you exist but you *ARE* special. If you don't believe me then ask RFM. He will vouch for that.

Both Paul and Kerry should appear on Mormon Stories and Mormonism Live.

[Shulem]

Okay, you may be small potatoes today and hardly anyone knows you exist but you *ARE* special. If you don't believe me then ask RFM. He will vouch for that.

Both Paul and Kerry should appear on Mormon Stories and Mormonism Live.

I don't know about that but I will say that RFM and Dehlin have a blockbuster story breaking under their very noses right here on Discuss Mormonism and they probably don't know it, yet. Of course, the best way to get familiar with the Delmarva geography is to read *this* thread which has been graciously provided because I wanted to contribute to this community and sound the alarm. I can assure you that the apologists aren't going to be able to sweep me or Joseph Smith's geography under the rug. Let them try! They will face the full wrath and fury of the mighty Shulem and how terrible will be their fall and embarrassment!

Okay, that's enough ego for today or at least a week.

Jesus. I have more cards to show but the time is not right. Ante up ye apologists! I hold a Royal Flush in spades. "How so?" you might ask. I got Joseph Smith on my side, baby.

PS. Stop reading what the apologists write. They will lead you astray and they operate in a manner that is set up to fail from the get-go.

[Shulem]

I don't care what Shulem is saying over at Discuss Mormonism. That board has no credibility because they've failed to correct the name of their board which should be "Discuss The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Those apostates would be better served by reading the Book of Mormon and prayerfully considering its content rather than complaining about unimportant matters that have no bearing on their salvation.

[MG 2.0]

Do you want to know what Joseph knew?

The evidence seems to show that Joseph didn’t know anything definitive about Book of Mormon geography. He at times expressed some of his own opinions as to where the Book of Mormon lands may have been. Those locations being a hop, skip, and a jump from the NE seaboard area of the United States.

Anyway, how does your geography dovetail with the archaeological record in the Northeast and the Atlantic seaboard? Does it attest to and fit in with a pre-Columbian civilization anything like that portrayed in the Book of Mormon, with its extensive agriculture, written language, and large population centers housing hundreds of thousands of individuals? In this thread are you mainly focused on geography rather than agriculture, language, population centers, and other things that need to be considered?

Were your Book of Mormon lands much warmer back in the day? Seems like Mormon and the prophets might have mentioned the seasons and the extreme cold. The Delmarva Peninsula must have had its share of cold nights, cold months, and cold years, one would think. But maybe not back in ye olden days.

I haven’t read through the whole thread. Am I missing something?

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

The evidence seems to show that Joseph didn’t know anything definitive about Book of Mormon geography. He at times expressed some of his own opinions as to where the Book of Mormon lands may have been. Those locations being a hop, skip, and a jump from the NE seaboard area of the United States.

Please read this entire thread. Then you will know. Welcome!

Joseph Smith said lots of things *after* the fact. Many of those things he said don't have any bearing or are not relative to what he dictated to his scribes. What he dictated to his his scribes and the location of Cumorah being in New York was the ancient battlefield is all that matters coming from the mouth of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. What he said later (hemispheric ideas) mean nothing because he was hiding behind his book so to speak.

Anyway, how does your geography dovetail with the archaeological record in the Northeast and the Atlantic seaboard? Does it attest to and fit in with a pre-Columbian civilization anything like that portrayed in the Book of Mormon, with its extensive agriculture, written language, and large population centers housing hundreds of thousands of individuals? In this thread are you mainly focused on geography rather than agriculture, language, population centers, and other things that need to be considered?

The above is not relevant because the Book of Mormon is pure fiction from the first page all way to the last. This thread does take some of the above into consideration. But it's not necessary to try and fit evidence to meet the demands of a book that is nothing more than fiction. THAT is where the apologists fail because they have testimonies that the book is a true historical record when it is not. I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon is fiction and Smith took many liberties in writing it. I bear you that testimony!

Were your Book of Mormon lands much warmer back in the day? Seems like Mormon and the prophets might have mentioned the seasons and the extreme cold. The Delmarva Peninsula must have had its share of cold nights, cold months, and cold years, one would think. But maybe not back in ye olden days.

That is entirely another discussion which this thread has not addressed because it doesn't need to in order to establish the geography as given in the book itself. Smith did not want to talk about weather in his book and neither did he talk about other things in much detail. Climate was touched upon very lightly. And, when good ole Moroni was tracking about up in New York looking to bury those plates he never, ever, not once, complained about being cold. Imagine that!

I haven’t read through the whole thread. Am I missing something?

Indeed, you are.

[MG 2.0]

The evidence seems to show that Joseph didn’t know anything definitive about Book of Mormon geography. He at times expressed some of his own opinions as to where the Book of Mormon lands may have been. Those locations being a hop, skip, and a jump from the NE seaboard area of the United States.

Please read this entire thread. Then you will know. Welcome!

Joseph Smith said lots of things *after* the fact. Many of those things he said don't have any bearing or are not relative to what he dictated to his scribes. What he dictated to his his scribes and the location of Cumorah being in New York was the ancient battlefield is all that matters coming from the mouth of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. What he said later (hemispheric ideas) mean nothing because he was hiding behind his book so to speak.

Anyway, how does your geography dovetail with the archaeological record in the Northeast and the Atlantic seaboard? Does it attest to and fit in with a pre-Columbian civilization anything like that portrayed in the Book of Mormon, with its extensive agriculture, written language, and large population centers housing hundreds of thousands of individuals? In this thread are you mainly focused on geography rather than agriculture, language, population centers, and other things that need to be considered?

The above is not relevant because the Book of Mormon is pure fiction from the first page all way to the last. This thread does take some of the above into consideration. But it's not necessary to try and fit evidence to meet the demands of a book that is nothing more than fiction. THAT is where the apologists fail because they have testimonies that the book is a true historical record when it is not. I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon is fiction and Smith took many liberties in writing it. I bear you that testimony!

Were your Book of Mormon lands much warmer back in the day? Seems like Mormon and the prophets might have mentioned the seasons and the extreme cold. The Delmarva Peninsula must have had its share of cold nights, cold months, and cold years, one would think. But maybe not back in ye olden days.

That is entirely another discussion which this thread has not addressed because it doesn't need to in order to establish the geography as given in the book itself. Smith did not want to talk about weather in his book and neither did he talk about other things in much detail. Climate was touched upon very lightly. And, when good ole Moroni was tracking about up in New York looking to bury those plates he never, ever, not once, complained about being cold. Imagine that!

I haven’t read through the whole thread. Am I missing something?

Indeed, you are.

I suppose that if you are starting out with the presumption that the Book of Mormon is fiction you can come up with any theory you want to. And no, I think that the fact that Joseph was just as curious as the next guy about Book of Mormon geography AFTER publication says a lot. Be that as it may, you’ve put one more Book of Mormon geography theory into print. And since you believe it’s all fiction, no harm done, right?

But at you mentioned on another thread, you were a bit hesitant about fleshing out this theory because of some issues that got in the way.

Yep.

I read enough of this thread to conclude that there isn’t much to see here. It doesn’t fit the actual narrative in the Book of Mormon in some important respects. You as much admitted to that. But again, if it’s not true (your words, not mine) it doesn’t really matter.

I don’t have much else to say. If you want to take this theory to the bank, go with it.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

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[Shulem]

I suppose that if you are starting out with the presumption that the Book of Mormon is fiction you can come up with any theory you want to.

I work from the assumption that Smith was writing fiction into a specific geographic background he used to develop his story. My presumption is exactly what billions of nonmembers (normal people) would do in basing Smith's book as a work of fiction. Only Mormons or those who join the Church work the other way around. My work is based on the book is a fraud and uses real world settings or geography in which to base the story.

And no, I think that the fact that Joseph was just as curious as the next guy about Book of Mormon geography AFTER publication says a lot.

The AFTER is not what matters. It's what's in the text (THE PRESENT) by which Smith is judged. I could care less what he said about his book 15 years after the fact. It means jack! All that matters is what's *in* the book and Smith's and Cowdery's claim that Cumorah is in New York. Everything else they ever said means nothing.

Be that as it may, you’ve put one more Book of Mormon geography theory into print. And since you believe it’s all fiction, no harm done, right?

It's in print and nonmembers of the Church will find it a fascinating exposition into the geography Smith had in mind PRIOR to and DURING the time he dictated the Book of Mormon.

But at you mentioned on another thread, you were a bit hesitant about fleshing out this theory because of some issues that got in the way.

Yep.

I said that my earlier work as a faithful believer "abandoned Delmarva because it lacked archeological evidence as well as certain features described in the Book of Mormon text" so I couldn't make it work from the perspective of making a perfect all-around match. There are no ruins on Delmarva. The city of Bountiful is not there. Certain descriptions about terrain and land features are not wholly descriptive of Delmarva but now I have come to learn that Smith took plenty of license in writing things into his script in which he was going to keep the location a secret. Besides, he had never been to Delmarva! He didn't know the land.

Read the whole thread, MG.

I read enough of this thread to conclude that there isn’t much to see here. It doesn’t fit the actual narrative in the Book of Mormon in some important respects. You as much admitted to that. But again, if it’s not true (your words, not mine) it doesn’t really matter.

I don’t have much else to say. If you want to take this theory to the bank, go with it.

You've not read enough of this thread to conclude anything. You're not qualified to make general observations and conclusions. Read the thread or please leave the room.

I'm confident that Delmarva will become a major player in the world of Book of Mormon geography and virtually all nonmembers will accept it as a proper representation of Book of Mormon geography given by Smith as published in 1830. Your Church has a major problem looming overhead because the whole world is going to find out.

Thanks

[Shulem]

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ikr

Our friend is here. Be nice. But if he doesn't READ the thread then he should leave the thread and not make ignorant comments.

[MG 2.0]

I'm confident that Delmarva will become a major player in the world of Book of Mormon geography and virtually all nonmembers will accept it as a proper representation of Book of Mormon geography given by Smith as published in 1830.

I don’t think it will go beyond this board. And if you’re simply talking to nonmembers, then no harm no foul. On the other hand, folks that see a disjointed narrative in your theory (and it is) and have other reasons to believe…Chiasmus…answer to prayers, etc., won’t find your theory overwhelmingly convincing. Or dangerous.

Your Church has a major problem looming overhead because the whole world is going to find out.

Having visions of grandeur are we?

I have no problem with your speculations. They are interesting. I’m not in any way trying to stop you. I mean, gosh, there are a ‘few’ active and believing members of the church that have their opinions on Book of Mormon geography.

Why not you?

Regards,
MG