Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[MG 2.0]

I was confident you'd cut me a little slack and let me be myself. I appreciate it. I really do.

No worries. Overall you have seemed to turn a new leaf inasmuch as you come across with a greater degree of civility nowadays. And civility breeds civility in others. And conversation is smoother with fewer derails and board fights of one sort or another. You have strong feelings/impulses to let things ‘blow up’ now and then in regards to Joseph Smith and other early/current brethren. That’s a fairly natural and predictable human response. Obviously I don’t agree with your opinions in regards to the brethren but I’m also cognizant of the fact that we are traveling different paths.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

...but I’m also cognizant of the fact that we are traveling different paths.

ya think??

[He can't get his directions (North, East, South, West) right. Apologists can't make heads and tails of the Mesoamerican landscape by comparing it with what's described in the Book of Mormon. They contort and twist! It's rather creepy.

Granted, your geography is going to be much more reasonable to those that already have a bias against Joseph Smith.

Bingo! I don't care about the apologists or few million Mormon testimonies that will die believing in the Book of Mormon. My target audience is 7 billion souls who will reject the Book of Mormon when they reason that the original claims are a hoax rather than fall for ignorant testimonies of young missionaries knocking on their door to sell them a gospel that costs 10% of one's income.

Shulem, protecting the misappropriated 10%, world-wide! That's a super-power if ever I saw one.

[Shulem]

I now proceed forward with some speculative thinking in understanding Joseph Smith's original motives prior to and while writing the Book of Mormon. We all know that Joseph Smith was a treasure digger and if there were treasures to be found he could find them unless they slipped back into the ground. Or how about treasures hidden away in an old house in Salem? Smith would love to find the goods. Get my drift? Smith loved the fantasy of having treasure and the thought of having gold excited him. His heart was set on gold and silver and WOMEN! Oh, he loved women and the more the merrier. Sorry, Emma, but you need to make room for other women. Joseph's appetites are very strong and he will take advantage as you so well know, mam!

Now, if Joseph really believed that his Book of Mormon story was a historical account based on the actual telling of an angel and real gold plates, then he would have acted on that belief. How so? He would have provided the information necessary for an expedition to uncover the ruins and recover the artifacts of the ancient Nephites. Absolutely, he would have! It would have been Joseph Smith the archeologist all the way!

But as it was, Smith knew his story was just a story that he made up. He knew it was fiction. He knew there was no such place as the land of Nephi or a temple at Bountiful. He knew there was nothing to prove his story, so there was nothing further to be said about it. He organized his new Church and went from there. Book of Mormon geography IN THE MIND OF JOSEPH was the joke for the Church. It stuck and the people bought it. Are you buying Joseph's joke too? It will cost you 10% of your income, increase, and interest. Pay up!

[Shulem]

Joseph Smith knew his Book of Mormon geography was fiction. He knew that Nephite coins and armor could never be recovered from the dirt because they were never minted or forged in the first place. He knew the temples of Nephi and Bountiful were illusions in his own mind. But unlike Smith, his successors believed in Book of Mormon geography -- they believed that there really was a place where the temple of Bountiful was built and that there must be archeological evidence buried up and hidden, a place known only to the Lord -- a secret place. But none of the Church Presidents have a scrap of faith or the vision capable of producing a revelation to reveal the spot of ground where such evidence and proof can be obtained.

That's ironic!

[MG 2.0]

Now, if Joseph really believed that his Book of Mormon story was a historical account based on the actual telling of an angel and real gold plates, then he would have acted on that belief. How so? He would have provided the information necessary for an expedition to uncover the ruins and recover the artifacts of the ancient Nephites. Absolutely, he would have! It would have been Joseph Smith the archeologist all the way!

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.

But as it was, Smith knew his story was just a story that he made up. He knew it was fiction. He knew there was no such place as the land of Nephi or a temple at Bountiful. He knew there was nothing to prove his story, so there was nothing further to be said about it. He organized his new Church and went from there. Book of Mormon geography IN THE MIND OF JOSEPH was the joke for the Church. It stuck and the people bought it. Are you buying Joseph's joke too? It will cost you 10% of your income, increase, and interest. Pay up!

This may sound like a reasonable proclamation to those that inhabit these nether regions, but it sounds absolutely silly to those that inhabit the real world of reason and balance.

Nothing against you personally. Seriously. I believe that at this point in your life your reality lets/encourages you say these things without any sort of internal quibble or question.

At least that is what you have born testimony to many times.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Joseph Smith knew his Book of Mormon geography was fiction. He knew that Nephite coins and armor could never be recovered from the dirt because they were never minted or forged in the first place. He knew the temples of Nephi and Bountiful were illusions in his own mind. But unlike Smith, his successors believed in Book of Mormon geography -- they believed that there really was a place where the temple of Bountiful was built and that there must be archeological evidence buried up and hidden, a place known only to the Lord -- a secret place. But none of the Church Presidents have a scrap of faith or the vision capable of producing a revelation to reveal the spot of ground where such evidence and proof can be obtained.

That's ironic!

From where I’m sitting your focus on a fictional Book of Mormon geography is a prime example of where you can't see the forest for the trees at this point. There is so much more to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Church than Book of Mormon geography.

You may have at least a partial memory of that.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Now, if Joseph really believed that his Book of Mormon story was a historical account based on the actual telling of an angel and real gold plates, then he would have acted on that belief. How so? He would have provided the information necessary for an expedition to uncover the ruins and recover the artifacts of the ancient Nephites. Absolutely, he would have! It would have been Joseph Smith the archeologist all the way!

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.

But as it was, Smith knew his story was just a story that he made up. He knew it was fiction. He knew there was no such place as the land of Nephi or a temple at Bountiful. He knew there was nothing to prove his story, so there was nothing further to be said about it. He organized his new Church and went from there. Book of Mormon geography IN THE MIND OF JOSEPH was the joke for the Church. It stuck and the people bought it. Are you buying Joseph's joke too? It will cost you 10% of your income, increase, and interest. Pay up!

This may sound like a reasonable proclamation to those that inhabit these nether regions, but it sounds absolutely silly to those that inhabit the real world of reason and balance.

Wow. That is brilliant. Not only is mg implying that he inhabits the real world of reason and balance, but that EVERYONE ELSE reading here inhabits "these nether regions." Dude, not only do you regularly post at "these nether regions," but you've clearly indicated that 'reason and balance' are NOT your world.

Nothing against you personally. Seriously. I believe that at this point in your life your reality lets/encourages you say these things without any sort of internal quibble or question.

You really do project far more than you realize.

[Marcus]

Joseph Smith knew his Book of Mormon geography was fiction. He knew that Nephite coins and armor could never be recovered from the dirt because they were never minted or forged in the first place. He knew the temples of Nephi and Bountiful were illusions in his own mind. But unlike Smith, his successors believed in Book of Mormon geography -- they believed that there really was a place where the temple of Bountiful was built and that there must be archeological evidence buried up and hidden, a place known only to the Lord -- a secret place. But none of the Church Presidents have a scrap of faith or the vision capable of producing a revelation to reveal the spot of ground where such evidence and proof can be obtained.

That's ironic!

From where I’m sitting your focus on a fictional Book of Mormon geography is a prime example of where you can't see the forest for the trees at this point. There is so much more to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Church than Book of Mormon geography.

You may have at least a partial memory of that.

Regards,
MG

Have you read this thread? Please stay on topic.

[Shulem]

Now, if Joseph really believed that his Book of Mormon story was a historical account based on the actual telling of an angel and real gold plates, then he would have acted on that belief. How so? He would have provided the information necessary for an expedition to uncover the ruins and recover the artifacts of the ancient Nephites. Absolutely, he would have! It would have been Joseph Smith the archeologist all the way!

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.

I'm absolutely serious, MG. Totally. These speculations are right in line with what one would do *IF* they knew where treasures or ancient relics were located in which to make them famous. In the case of Book of Mormon geography, Smith was all talk and no action. But, he'd run off to Salem in a heartbeat to check on buried treasures on account of rumor and its ten thousand tongues! But, the Book of Mormon geography? Why bother? It was just a story he invented and he knew it.

My speculation is reasonable considering how Smith failed to ACT or discuss anything about where the Nephite temples were located. Smith couldn't have found the Nephites if God himself led him because they never existed. Joseph's God was his own shadow.

[Shulem]

But as it was, Smith knew his story was just a story that he made up. He knew it was fiction. He knew there was no such place as the land of Nephi or a temple at Bountiful. He knew there was nothing to prove his story, so there was nothing further to be said about it. He organized his new Church and went from there. Book of Mormon geography IN THE MIND OF JOSEPH was the joke for the Church. It stuck and the people bought it. Are you buying Joseph's joke too? It will cost you 10% of your income, increase, and interest. Pay up!

This may sound like a reasonable proclamation to those that inhabit these nether regions, but it sounds absolutely silly to those that inhabit the real world of reason and balance.

Nothing against you personally. Seriously. I believe that at this point in your life your reality lets/encourages you say these things without any sort of internal quibble or question.

At least that is what you have born testimony to many times.

Regards,
MG

Seven billion people on planet earth will find the above statement to be completely reasonable and a good answer to the riddle of Mormonism. Testimony bearing Latter-day Saints will find it threatening and offensive. I don't care. My message is to the world and if brainwashed Latter-day Saints can't see reason then they can continue in the faith until such time as they are ready to hang it up or die in it.

It's no skin off my back.

I'm enlightened, MG. You can't stop me. Nobody can. The voice is sounding long and loud.

And, I would love to see the Church donate that 100+ billion dollars to real charities (all of it) and become a real Christian church.