Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Philo Sofee]

For what a couple of beers and more whores with a night on the town?

Go Philo! Keep it hot with your four doors for more whores.

[Binger]

Ukraine military says soldier blew himself up on bridge to halt Russian advance

Excerpt:

Skakun placed mines on the bridge and told his fellow soldiers that he was blowing up the bridge. The bridge blew up before Skakun was able to run away, and he died in the explosion.

“His heroic deed significantly slowed the advance of the enemy, which allowed the unit to redeploy and organize the defense,” wrote the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of Skakun in a Facebook post.

Skakun’s death allowed the rest of the soldiers to prepare for the oncoming Russians and saved the Ukrainian military time and ammunition.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... ge-to-halt

Oh boy.

[Gadianton]

I think that Zelenskiy is the person best placed to decide what he needs to do for Ukraine.

Maybe. Maybe him ducking out would totally undermine the effort. If that's the case, I can't but help think that there hadn't been effective planning, such that this wouldn't be the case. I don't think the US offer to bring him to safety was a special favor just for him personally, and not for the greater cause.

At any rate, on the toughness scale, these people are a 9.98.

[Moksha]

Trump would have kissed Putin's ring, kissed his ass, then praised him for his genius and turned a blind eye to Ukraine entirely because “F” them.

Trump may even have ordered American Troops to help Russia with the amphibious landing. That would have squashed NATO and achieved another of Putin's goals.

[Dr. Shades]

Is it true that the U.S. urged President Zelensky to evacuate the city? Are we serious? Are we crazy? For what purpose should he evacuate the capital and give it up to the Russians?

Him evacuating the capital and giving it up to the Russians aren't mutually inclusive. You can do the former without doing the latter.

Why are we telling him to give up his capital when he's trying to hold on to his damn country?

So he can A) continue directing the fight from elsewhere, and B) avoid being put against the wall and shot.

What is wrong with us?

Absolutely nothing.

Would Biden beat it the hell out of D.C. and give it up to the Russians?

Yes to the former, no to the latter.

What don't I understand about this???

You don't understand that it's foolish to let yourself get killed when you can tactically retreat to a more defensible position to continue fighting another day.

Is there a strategy that I don't understand???

Yes. You don't understand that a functioning government in another city is preferable to a non-functioning government (because its elected officers have all been put against a wall and shot). Not only that, but a military is much more capable of fighting off a foreign invader if it has a functioning government.

What are they supposed to do, give up the capital and do what?

Direct the fighting from a more secure position. You know, the only logical thing to do.

Go into negotiations with Russia...for WHAT???

No.

[Jersey Girl]

I think that Zelenskiy is the person best placed to decide what he needs to do for Ukraine.

Maybe. Maybe him ducking out would totally undermine the effort. If that's the case, I can't but help think that there hadn't been effective planning, such that this wouldn't be the case. I don't think the US offer to bring him to safety was a special favor just for him personally, and not for the greater cause.

At any rate, on the toughness scale, these people are a 9.98.

"I need ammunition, not a ride" ... Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

[canpakes]

What about that NY Post report that Trump told Putin if he went into Ukraine Trump would hit Moscow?

For what a couple of beers and more whores with a night on the town?

Not even for that. Trump never told Putin if he went into Ukraine Trump would hit Moscow.

[Jersey Girl]

Ukrainian taunts Russian soldiers in broken down tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3c8vtXvHo

[Chap]

You don't understand that a functioning government in another city is preferable to a non-functioning government (because its elected officers have all been put against a wall and shot). Not only that, but a military is much more capable of fighting off a foreign invader if it has a functioning government.

Ah Dr Shades! If only you were there at Zelinskiy's side! You could explain it all to him so clearly. I bet he has never thought of that.

(Or maybe he feels that his military commanders are the ones best left in charge of the fighting, and the most useful role for him at present is to raise the morale of the population by a display of personal courage. Some weird stuff like that.)

[Chap]

See below the English version of the petition launched a few days ago by members of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and since then signed by many Russian scientists and science journalists. People with relevant personal contacts have received individual expressions of similar views from Russian colleagues.

When you have read the petition, think of the personal risks run by someone who signs this in a country led by Vladimir Putin. Would you have been brave enough to so so? If not (which is probably the case for most of us), I hope you will think before you comment.

https://www.eureporter.co/world/russia/ ... 4s.Twitter


“We, Russian scientists and scientific journalists, declare a strong protest against the hostilities launched by the armed forces of our country on the territory of Ukraine. This fatal step leads to huge human losses and undermines the foundations of the established system of international security. The responsibility for unleashing a new war in Europe lies entirely with Russia.

“There is no rational justification for this war. Attempts to use the situation in Donbass as a pretext for launching a military operation do not inspire any confidence. It is clear that Ukraine does not pose a threat to the security of our country. The war against her is unfair and frankly senseless.

“Ukraine has been and remains a country close to us. Many of us have relatives, friends and scientific colleagues living in Ukraine. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought together against Nazism. Unleashing a war for the sake of the geopolitical ambitions of the leadership of the Russian Federation, driven by dubious historiosophical fantasies, is a cynical betrayal of their memory.

“We respect Ukrainian statehood, which rests on really working democratic institutions. We treat the European choice of our neighbors with understanding. We are convinced that all problems in relations between our countries can be resolved peacefully.

“Having unleashed the war, Russia doomed itself to international isolation, to the position of a pariah country. This means that we, scientists, will no longer be able to do our job normally: after all, conducting scientific research is unthinkable without full cooperation with colleagues from other countries. The isolation of Russia from the world means further cultural and technological degradation of our country in the complete absence of positive prospects. War with Ukraine is a step to nowhere.

“It is bitter for us to realize that our country, which made a decisive contribution to the victory over Nazism, has now become the instigator of a new war on the European continent. We demand an immediate halt to all military operations directed against Ukraine. We demand respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Ukrainian state. We demand peace for our countries. Let's do science, not war!”

And here it is in Russian for any able to read it:

https://trv-science.ru/2022/02/we-are-a ... zMh1gwWQTk

Мы, российские ученые и научные журналисты, заявляем решительный протест против военных действий, начатых вооружёнными силами нашей страны на территории Украины. Этот фатальный шаг ведёт к огромным человеческим жертвам и подрывает основы сложившейся системы международной безопасности. Ответственность за развязывание новой войны в Европе целиком лежит на России.

Для этой войны нет никаких разумных оправданий. Попытки использовать ситуацию в Донбассе как повод для развёртывания военной операции не вызывают никакого доверия. Совершенно очевидно, что Украина не представляет угрозы для безопасности нашей страны. Война против неё несправедлива и откровенно бессмысленна.

Украина была и остаётся близкой нам страной. У многих из нас в Украине живут родственники, друзья и коллеги по научной работе. Наши отцы, деды и прадеды вместе воевали против нацизма. Развязывание войны ради геополитических амбиций руководства РФ, движимого сомнительными историософскими фантазиями, есть циничное предательство их памяти.

Мы уважаем украинскую государственность, которая держится на реально работающих демократических институтах. Мы с пониманием относимся к европейскому выбору наших соседей. Мы убеждены в том, что все проблемы в отношениях между нашими странами могут быть решены мирным путём.

Развязав войну, Россия обрекла себя на международную изоляцию, на положение страны-изгоя. Это значит, что мы, учёные, теперь не сможем нормально заниматься своим делом: ведь проведение научных исследований немыслимо без полноценного сотрудничества с коллегами из других стран. Изоляция России от мира означает дальнейшую культурную и технологическую деградацию нашей страны при полном отсутствии позитивных перспектив. Война с Украиной — это шаг в никуда.

Нам горько сознавать, что наша страна, которая внесла решающий вклад в победу над нацизмом, сейчас стала поджигателем новой войны на европейском континенте. Мы требуем немедленной остановки всех военных действий, направленных против Украины. Мы требуем уважения суверенитета и территориальной целостности украинского государства. Мы требуем мира для наших стран.