Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Gadianton]

Why did you say that was a Ukrainian tank running over a Ukrainian car? Reflexively and without even checking.

Because after he got owned on the trucker threads, unable to verify his source material for wild claims, he's on a fact-checking image spree for any pro-Ukraine images, whether posted here by others or not.

According to Suchomimus, it "Looks to be a Ukraine vehicle--Strela10, a tragic accident. Either lost control or was trying to avoid incoming fire".

Make no mistake, binger looked into this one and found the answer before posting, but pretended that he was just making a judgment call. He backs that up when questioned by saying he hasn't looked into it, but based on his own fair-mindedness and extensive crawler driving experience, arrives at a similar conclusion to what Suchomimus says. So now if we wanted to do a (shallow) deep dive, we'd find out that he was right, and we can see how his tempered skepticism stacks up against the rash assumptions of the participants here he doesn't like.

[Binger]

Why did you say that was a Ukrainian tank running over a Ukrainian car? Reflexively and without even checking.

Because after he got owned on the trucker threads, unable to verify his source material for wild claims, he's on a fact-checking image spree for any pro-Ukraine images, whether posted here by others or not.

According to Suchomimus, it "Looks to be a Ukraine vehicle--Strela10, a tragic accident. Either lost control or was trying to avoid incoming fire".

Make no mistake, binger looked into this one and found the answer before posting, but pretended that he was just making a judgment call. He backs that up when questioned by saying he hasn't looked into it, but based on his own fair-mindedness and extensive crawler driving experience, arrives at a similar conclusion to what Suchomimus says. So now if we wanted to do a (shallow) deep dive, we'd find out that he was right, and we can see how his tempered skepticism stacks up against the rash assumptions of the participants here he doesn't like.

Hey dummy dumb dumb.

I think you need to address some of this with with Morley. I was not the one that suggested this was just a judgment call. I did not back up. I did not say I had not looked into it. I never said that. You pulled that out of your ass.

I had seen this days ago.

You are funny, gaddy. Get on with your trolling and assumptions and make-believe.

[canpakes]

Why did you say that was a Ukrainian tank running over a Ukrainian car? Reflexively and without even checking.

Because after he got owned on the trucker threads, unable to verify his source material for wild claims, he's on a fact-checking image spree for any pro-Ukraine images, whether posted here by others or not.

According to Suchomimus, it "Looks to be a Ukraine vehicle--Strela10, a tragic accident. Either lost control or was trying to avoid incoming fire".

Make no mistake, binger looked into this one and found the answer before posting, but pretended that he was just making a judgment call. He backs that up when questioned by saying he hasn't looked into it, but based on his own fair-mindedness and extensive crawler driving experience, arrives at a similar conclusion to what Suchomimus says. So now if we wanted to do a (shallow) deep dive, we'd find out that he was right, and we can see how his tempered skepticism stacks up against the rash assumptions of the participants here he doesn't like.

See how hard he can work to ferret out disinformation when it suits him?

If Binger decided to do that consistently, it would be an improvement.

[Binger]

Because, for all you know, and for all I know, it was an out of control Ukranian vehicle. It was out of control more than it was in control.

My point in making the comment was very simple. You do not know who was driving, and neither do I. I have never driven a tank, but I have driven/operated many crawlers and that one was out of control and the collision looked accidental more than deliberate.

It does not take much effort at all to find arguments that this was misrepresented.

https://Twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/sta ... a0ARvHfu8w

Regardless of which propaganda you personally wish to reject or retweet, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a war going on that Russia didn’t need to start, and folks are dying because of it.

OK.

[Morley]

Why did you say that was a Ukrainian tank running over a Ukrainian car?

Because, for all you know, and for all I know, it was an out of control Ukranian vehicle. It was out of control more than it was in control.

You didn't put it that way. You stated as fact: "That was a Ukranian tank driving over a Ukranian citizen."

As you say, we don't know how out of control or under control it was.

My point in making the comment was very simple. You do not know who was driving, and neither do I. I have never driven a tank, but I have driven/operated many crawlers and that one was out of control and the collision looked accidental more than deliberate.

Yet you stated as fact that it was a Ukrainian tank, implying that it was driven by Ukrainians. If you wanted to make the point that we don't know, there may be better ways to rebut than stating as fact something we don't know.

It does not take much effort at all to find arguments that this was misrepresented.

https://Twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/sta ... a0ARvHfu8w

Yeah, Jordan Schachtel (some guy on Twitter) says that the video was misrepresented. First he says it was a Ukrainian tank running over a car. Then, in a subsequent tweet, he suggests the tank as a "Strella 10 surface to air rocket launcher" and decides it was out of control. What's Jordan Schachtel's expertise? Why doesn't he provide a link or proof to the speculations that he presents as fact? I briefly trained in the basics of how to drive a tank, for a few days, several decades ago, which should give me zero credibility to talk about this. Which is about as much credibility as Jordan Schachtel seems to have.

For discussion's sake, let's say that Schachtel is right about his identification. Though the 9K35 Strela 10 is used by both Ukrainian and Russian forces, it was originally made in the old USSR and most are owned and deployed by Russsia. To assume it's a Ukrainian tank seems bizarre.

[Chap]

Delightful to watch Prime Minister Johnson being told the truth to his face by a Ukrainian journalist who interrupted his Warsaw press conference.

Ukrainian activist berates Boris Johnson over Russia response
Daria Kaleniuk interrupts media conference in Warsaw to press UK PM over sanctions and no-fly zone

I believe this is technically called 'ripping him another one'.



Follow this link to get to the video:

https://youtu.be/bcuT-3LQHF0

[Binger]

Delightful to watch Prime Minister Johnson being told the truth to his face by a Ukrainian journalist who interrupted his Warsaw press conference.

Ukrainian activist berates Boris Johnson over Russia response
Daria Kaleniuk interrupts media conference in Warsaw to press UK PM over sanctions and no-fly zone

I believe this is technically called 'ripping him another one'.



Follow this link to get to the video:

https://youtu.be/bcuT-3LQHF0

Truth about what?

She wants an air war?

[Res Ipsa]

Interesting interview with Russia expert Fiona Hill on Putin and his objectives. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... e-00012340

[canpakes]

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Now we find out why this is happening. Who knew?

Pat Robertson says Putin was ‘compelled by God’ to invade Ukraine to fulfill Armageddon prophecy

Televangelist Pat Robertson said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was “compelled by God” in his decision to invade Ukraine, suggesting that Russia’s attacks are a precursor to an end-times battle in Israel.

The Christian media mogul returned to “The 700 Club” a few months after he retired from the show he hosted for 55 years on the Christian Broadcasting Network. In his return, Robertson claimed that Putin was simply following God’s wishes when Russia invaded Ukraine — to fulfill a biblical prophecy.

“I think you can say, well, Putin’s out of his mind. Yes, maybe so,” said Robertson, 91. “But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. He went into the Ukraine, but that wasn’t his goal. His goal was to move against Israel, ultimately.”
Pat Robertson came out of retirement to claim that Putin "is being compelled by God" to invade Ukraine in preparation for a massive End Times invasion of Israel.

Robertson then cited verses from the book of Ezekiel that note how nations will come together to rise up against Israel, suggesting that Ukraine is merely a “staging ground” for an eventual Armageddon battle.

“God is getting ready to do something amazing,” he said. “And that will be fulfilled.”

A spokesperson with the Christian Broadcasting Network did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Tuesday. A clip of the segment posted to Twitter had been viewed more than 2 million times as of Tuesday morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... a-ukraine/

[K Graham]

Am I the first to say this?

Compare please, the actions of the citizens of Ukrainians to the well trained Afghans who immediately laid down their weapons and welcomed an inferior fighting force.

Any aid we were sending to Afghanistan should be diverted to Ukraine. They deserve it more.