Race Essentialist Curricula

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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:25 pm
Still, it wouldn't be you in the foxhole, would it?
If we had a conservative state free of liberals in the government, I'd most certainly be in that foxhole fighting for my country just like the Confederates of old. I'm not going to go into a situation where you're not allowed to fight to win. I'm not going to be a mercenary because it's simply not worth it to me. But if it were for a nation that I actually owned in part, my land, my family, my job, my paycheck, and my civil rights, I'd be fighting for sure. Perhaps that's why Germanic and Scottish tribes were usually pretty small and most empires were fragmented. It's in my blood.

But I'm not going to fight for a country that inculcates my children in this antwhite, antiAmerican, homosexual garbage that I posted originally. I want that taxpayer funded education system in which parents have no say in what is taught done away with.
Who, of your ancestors, fought and died for The Cause, Ajax?
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Who, of your ancestors, fought and died for The Cause, Ajax?
A lot. What's your angle in asking this?
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:28 pm
Who, of your ancestors, fought and died for The Cause, Ajax?
A lot. What's your angle in asking this?
I'm trying to figure out why you hate America.

For instance, you think that Blacks should get over slavery while you carry the Confederacy around like a cross.
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Morley wrote:For instance, you think that Blacks should get over slavery while you carry the Confederacy around like a cross.
That's a good point. Ajax's family history fantasies shape his own values and his particular sense of entitlement. Shouldn't everyone, then, be allowed to justify their values and entitlements by their own interpretations of their family history?
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That's a good point. Ajax's family history fantasies shape his own values and his particular sense of entitlement.
I'm guessing you're referring to the radical notion of borders and my idea that being human doesn't necessarily entitle a citizen of the world to US citizenship. I stand with President Trump on a merit based immigration system. Basically that means people who are chosen by the citizens of the US can enter. That means people who can work, contribute, and help the country. Just being willing to enter the country illegally and having kids in the process shouldn't move you or your family up to the front of the line. And yes, I don't think it's fair that employers get to pass up native born American citizens for jobs over illegal immigrants because they can pay an illegal immigrant less and have the taxpayer rather than their company foot the bill for their healthcare, disability, workmen's compensation, etc. If you view that as my particular sense of entitlement in my birthright afforded me by my ancestors who spilt blood to secure this birthright, than sure.

And no I don't think I owe black people anything. I now view people based more upon their political views than I do the color of their skin. By woke standards, the fact that I'm not ashamed of my heritage, nor do I aknowledge that my inheritance was stolen from them (because it wasn't), that makes me a racist. We need to be clear about what the term racist really means. Because too many people just assume it means you hate black people.

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ajax18 wrote:
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And no I don't think I owe black people anything.
Funny. I thought you put a lot of stress on what your ancestors did.

The ancestors of those black people put in a huge amount of back-breaking work, for which they were not paid, to build up the economy of the country you live in today.

And yet you feel you owe them nothing.
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Ajax wrote:I'm guessing you're referring to the radical notion of borders and my idea that being human doesn't necessarily entitle a citizen of the world to US citizenship
No, Ajax. I was referring to what you'd said about the warrior blood of the Germans, Scotts, and Confederates coursing through your veins. At heart your a fierce defender of family property and a heroic expansionist. I'm just saying that other people might also use what they perceive to be their own personal history to form their values and inform criticisms of the world.

I don't think you personally owe an entire ethnicity anything just as I don't believe I do. A town or a nation might feel otherwise. For instance, a firefighter killed in a fire because of defective equipment not properly QA'd because the city was lax on standards may be owed something from the city, but not necessarily you or any other individual personally. If you really are going to look at it as your personal tax money paying for all these people or programs who you don't personally owe anything, that's a recipe for madness.
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Funny. I thought you put a lot of stress on what your ancestors did.

The ancestors of those black people put in a huge amount of back-breaking work, for which they were not paid, to build up the economy of the country you live in today.

And yet you feel you owe them nothing.
How much do the modern day Italians owe you as an Englishman for the Germanic and Celtic people who were enslaved and forced to labor to help build up the economy of the Roman Empire? I assure you that this didn't take centuries and likely millenia to forget and move on from as does the case of Africans enslaved in the antebellum US.

Right now you can't even free yourselves of the European Unions demands that you support these southern European welfare states, let alone get some kind of reparations for past wrongs from them. What's going on in the US has nothing to do with history. It's just one group of people looking at another group who has more and trying to find a reason to take it.
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Maybe Schmo could chime in on this. White spaniards once killed and enslaved brown amerinds. They brought African slaves who were forced to build up Latin American countries without pay. Yet I have never seen any make the argument that modern day latinos with more european DNA owe something to those with less. By in large their accusations of racism ate reserved for anglo Americans who had nothing to do with their past mistreatment.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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And the truth is the confederates lost everything after the civil war. Like freed African American slaves they started from zero in 1865.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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