Oh what a tangled web we weave

[Doctor Steuss]

No, see U.S.A. v. Galanis et al., Case No. 1:16-cr-00371, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Rosemont Seneca Bohai account statements from Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management,

In 2014 to I think around 2017…I would have to double check the date. However, Galanis, along with Archer and others were busted trying to bilk a NA tribe out of millions…back records were subpoenaed, and the payment by Burisma appeared. The deposit was dated a day before archer met with Biden in the White House, and a week +- before he was officially hired by Burisma…Hunter Biden was hired soon after.

Archer has just been sentenced to a year in prison and forfeited I think around 15 million or so, and about 45 million in restitution…google it for exact numbers I could be off a bit.

Do you happen to know what document number? There are 1014 of them filed for the case that I can find, and only one of them references Rosemont Seneca Bohai (document 445), and it’s talking about some bond acquisitions.

[Marcus]

You have not added one thing to this conversation that you can back up…

From the person who wrote this…

Why did Archer and Biden receive 112K…before they were hired, and before JB was to leave to the Ukraine. I don’t know…if you don’t know that’s okay, we can then move on, or if you do know, let me know, give me a cf, and I will review it and we can discuss whether it lends to your position or mine.

You make accusations, but you want others to find out for you if they are true or not? Come on. This isn’t a “tribe” thing, this is an exercise in logical thinking. So far, you’ve presented only insupportable ideas rooted in your foregone conclusion there MUST BE something corrupt going on. It’s not persuasive.

[Res Ipsa]

So you haven’t spent any time trying to figure out what the payment was for. You just assume it must be dishonest. Don’t you think it’s important to know why Burisma sent the money? Did Archer have any dealings with Burisma before the money was wired?

I guess you won’t answer my question…but I will answer yours.

I have spent time, I haven’t found out why, that’s why I am asking…maybe you know, give me CF if you know, and I will review. A few years ago I went through this with cakes and in the trial when the check stub came out after they subpoenaed their records. How do I archive the old forum?

What I know is that a day before he met with JB in the White House, he received 112 K from Burisma.

Now will you answer my question I just asked you in my last post…in regards to your pasting a quote from me in your OP, see below.

From what I said here, what is not true or accurate?

First, it’s inaccurate to say “met with,” because that implies that they “had a meeting.” There is no evidence that they had a meeting. Second, you are omitting the context in which the events took place. Third, you have arranged the statements in way that implies they are connected when there is no evidence that they are.

Do you agree that even true statements can be used to imply a false or misleading conclusion?

[Markk]

You have not added one thing to this conversation that you can back up…

From the person who wrote this…

Why did Archer and Biden receive 112K…before they were hired, and before JB was to leave to the Ukraine. I don’t know…if you don’t know that’s okay, we can then move on, or if you do know, let me know, give me a cf, and I will review it and we can discuss whether it lends to your position or mine.

You make accusations, but you want others to find out for you if they are true or not? Come on. This isn’t a “tribe” thing, this is an exercise in logical thinking. So far, you’ve presented only insupportable ideas rooted in your foregone conclusion there MUST BE something corrupt going on. It’s not persuasive.

How is asking a question in what you pasted, making a accusation?

Again you fail to offer anything except blind allegiance to your ideology (your tribe so to speak). There is so much that supports my view and how I see this,yet no o wants to enter into a complete examination of what I am presenting. You even refused to look at what I offered as what I would say is a ‘proof text’ for aa point I was trying to convey. The only accusations I have made is that I believe their is enough data out there to demand a real investigation into this. I stated also it is my personal opinion that The Biden’s are dirty, which is not a accusation but my opinion based on evidences that you refuse to entertain.

So far, you’ve presented only insupportable ideas rooted in your foregone conclusion there MUST BE something corrupt going on. It’s not persuasive.

No I have presented a few ideas, which many more I hope to present, that are supported. And I believe when put all together reaps of corruption.
I have come to the conclusion that you aren’t strong enough to assert any critical thought into this and hear me out. Your conclusion is that JB and the Biden family are clean and upstanding. So we both have two different conclusions…however I am willing to discuss my view and your views, while your mind is made up and like you have demonstrated you will not entertain otherwise.

[Markk]

I guess you won’t answer my question…but I will answer yours.

I have spent time, I haven’t found out why, that’s why I am asking…maybe you know, give me CF if you know, and I will review. A few years ago I went through this with cakes and in the trial when the check stub came out after they subpoenaed their records. How do I archive the old forum?

What I know is that a day before he met with JB in the White House, he received 112 K from Burisma.

Now will you answer my question I just asked you in my last post…in regards to your pasting a quote from me in your OP, see below.

From what I said here, what is not true or accurate?

First, it’s inaccurate to say “met with,” because that implies that they “had a meeting.” There is no evidence that they had a meeting. Second, you are omitting the context in which the events took place. Third, you have arranged the statements in way that implies they are connected when there is no evidence that they are.

Do you agree that even true statements can be used to imply a false or misleading conclusion?

Yes I agree with your last sentence, and that is why one investigates. You have no idea what was said when they met, because no matter how you twist it they did meet that day at the White House. PS said “visit” in his first book, does that change your view of him? The point is you are creating a straw man to help let you ignore the bigger picture, and that there are lot more circumstantial things, like the few thing I have tried to discuss…and now i am trying to move forward with the quote of me that your OP address’ and you are dodging me like the plague.

take care

[Markk]

No, see U.S.A. v. Galanis et al., Case No. 1:16-cr-00371, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Rosemont Seneca Bohai account statements from Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management,

In 2014 to I think around 2017…I would have to double check the date. However, Galanis, along with Archer and others were busted trying to bilk a NA tribe out of millions…back records were subpoenaed, and the payment by Burisma appeared. The deposit was dated a day before archer met with Biden in the White House, and a week +- before he was officially hired by Burisma…Hunter Biden was hired soon after.

Archer has just been sentenced to a year in prison and forfeited I think around 15 million or so, and about 45 million in restitution…google it for exact numbers I could be off a bit.

Do you happen to know what document number? There are 1014 of them filed for the case that I can find, and only one of them references Rosemont Seneca Bohai (document 445), and it’s talking about some bond acquisitions.

I found this years ago when I went through this with pakes, if you tell me how to archive our old threads I will look for it…I remember actually seeing the receipt of the transfer in that it was entered in as evidence…this is what i got so far but what I found wanted a subscription fee.

U.S.A. v. Galanis et al., Case No. 1:16-cr-00371, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Rosemont Seneca Bohai account statements from Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management, Gx301; Schweizer, Secret Empires, pp. 60–61. (End note 76 of profiles of corruption by PS)

[Res Ipsa]

I'm not at all well-versed all on of the ins-and-outs of this, but I believe you're conflating Hunter's 112K tax bill with the 142K payment from Novatus Holding to Rosemont Seneca Bohai.

No, see U.S.A. v. Galanis et al., Case No. 1:16-cr-00371, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Rosemont Seneca Bohai account statements from Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management,

In 2014 to I think around 2017…I would have to double check the date. However, Galanis, along with Archer and others were busted trying to bilk a NA tribe out of millions…back records were subpoenaed, and the payment by Burisma appeared. The deposit was dated a day before archer met with Biden in the White House, and a week +- before he was officially hired by Burisma…Hunter Biden was hired soon after.

Archer has just been sentenced to a year in prison and forfeited I think around 15 million or so, and about 45 million in restitution…google it for exact numbers I could be off a bit.

Why do you stop there with your description of the case? Why omit the fact that, after carefully reviewing the evidence, the trial judge granted Archer’s motion for a new trial, but denied motions for post trial relief by Galanis and the other board member. Why omit the fact that, unlike the other defendants, Archer never personally received any of the stolen bond money? And that he actually lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the scheme?

It’s the same technique, used time after time after time. You cherry pick selected facts, giving a false and misleading impression of what actually happened. And when called on it, you’ll jump to something else. That’s how character assassinatin and political smears work. Give me enough information about you, and I could cherry pick facts to construct a completely false narrative about you.

So, there is evidence of how it was that Devon first met MK and was invited to join the board. You’ve never looked at that?

[Binger]

That’s how character assassinatin and political smears work. Give me enough information about you, and I could cherry pick facts to construct a completely false narrative about you.

I was talking to Jesus Lagerquist, my left-wing gay Mexican Swedish brother, about this exact concept. Jesus told me that this is a very useful tool and that when applied religiously and politically it helps us all. Jesus said that we all have other priorities and time limitations so it is particularly important to pick the facts that help us assassinate the characters that are not exactly like us.

I am not saying that you are doing that with Markk, because clearly Markk is doing that to you. I am just saying that Jesus and I, as left-wingers, see the value in the strategy. Jesus hates Trump, obviously. And Ann Coulter.

[Marcus]

Again you fail to offer anything except blind allegiance to your ideology (your tribe so to speak). There is so much that supports my view and how I see this,yet no o wants to enter into a complete examination of what I am presenting. You even refused to look at what I offered as what I would say is a ‘proof text’ for aa point I was trying to convey. The only accusations I have made is that I believe their is enough data out there to demand a real investigation into this. I stated also it is my personal opinion that The Biden’s are dirty, which is not a accusation but my opinion based on evidences that you refuse to entertain.

Wow. Okay. There has been a significantly larger examination of what you are presenting than where you stop, and it continues to to affirm my point…

So far, you’ve presented only insupportable ideas rooted in your foregone conclusion there MUST BE something corrupt going on. It’s not persuasive.

No change.

…Your conclusion is that JB and the Biden family are clean and upstanding. So we both have two different conclusions…however I am willing to discuss my view and your views, while your mind is made up and like you have demonstrated you will not entertain otherwise.

No, that’s incorrect. There has been a lot of information presented and discussed; so far each corruption idea you’ve floated has been shown to not have any support. Moving on…

No, see U.S.A. v. Galanis et al., Case No. 1:16-cr-00371, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Rosemont Seneca Bohai account statements from Morgan Stanley Private Wealth Management,

In 2014 to I think around 2017…I would have to double check the date. However, Galanis, along with Archer and others were busted trying to bilk a NA tribe out of millions…back records were subpoenaed, and the payment by Burisma appeared. The deposit was dated a day before archer met with Biden in the White House, and a week +- before he was officially hired by Burisma…Hunter Biden was hired soon after.

Archer has just been sentenced to a year in prison and forfeited I think around 15 million or so, and about 45 million in restitution…google it for exact numbers I could be off a bit.

Why do you stop there with your description of the case? Why omit the fact that, after carefully reviewing the evidence, the trial judge granted Archer’s motion for a new trial, but denied motions for post trial relief by Galanis and the other board member. Why omit the fact that, unlike the other defendants, Archer never personally received any of the stolen bond money? And that he actually lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the scheme?

It’s the same technique, used time after time after time. You cherry pick selected facts, giving a false and misleading impression of what actually happened. And when called on it, you’ll jump to something else. That’s how character assassinatin and political smears work….

Thanks for the more complete story about the trial.

[canpakes]

If you believe that such a well-documented phenomenon (celebrity board members) indicates that corruption must follow, please list the corrupt activities that you believe Hunter Biden was involved with after joining the board of Burisma.

I’ve been waiting for you to do this for about two years, already.
: D

Well, like I have told you up teen times, an investigation would need to started and finished to see if there is corruption, and if so, how deep.

OK. The WSJ, Fox News, the FBI and the IRS have all of the details. No one seems to have found anything that points to corruption. For a couple of folks you’d claim were either senile, or drug-addled buffoons, these Biden Boys seem to be reallllly good at covering up their worldwide crime activities.

In regards to his name…come on, MZ is a shrewd multi millionaire if not billionaire Russian backed Oligarch (again,I recommend the book Money Changers)…he knew exactly what he was doing when he when after Biden, …

Yes. As you pointed out previously, it’s the smart bet to assume that Biden was brought on board for his ‘star power’ name. But there’s nothing unusual about this, for many dozens of well-known companies. That alone does not imply that board members are in on any corruption alleged to have been committed by MZ (using the Liz Holmes situation as example).

Biden had no experience in natural gas, he did not speak Ukrainian, he is not a lawyer in regards to Ukrainian law…his duties were described in generalities, I haven’t read about any major accomplishments he did to help Burisma?

I’m not convinced that a claimed ‘lack of major accomplishments for Burisma’ by any particular board member is an indication of them being corrupt.

Your post shows yo hav no motivation for any critical thought here and as i said in the beginning…your goal and motivation is to protect your tribe,

You’d be better for not defaulting so often to this line. It makes no sense. I don’t have a tribe, and I’m not in the habit of protecting anyone else’s political opinions or sensibilities. Our family has two recently retired USMC officers and I trend conservative, and my voter card has always listed ‘independent’. Never registered with either party. As regards Democrat candidates, Biden would not have been my pick from that primary field. So, use that line on someone else, if you must use it at all. : D

… and you are working backward with pre-determined mindset that Hunter and Archer are clean good business men, and Joe could not possible be tied to any corruption in a very corrupt environment, without the least bit of critical thought.

Some kind of evidence would be helpful. Allegations about other people are not evidence of corruption by Hunter, and then by your extension, to his father. Your case needs more than that.

They article you pasted kinda proves my point…celebrities and are recruited to boards for their name, connections, and celebrities. Biden and Archer had no celebrities value in the Ukraine, that is for sure, …

Biden carried the name brand of the US VP. That’s pretty valuable for a major player in the gas market. Burisma is the #2 producer in Ukraine, and has ops in Germany, Mexico, Italy, and Kazakhstan. Having Biden on board lends legitimacy … especially if Burisma has some corruption issues.

Always keep in mind Burisma was a corrupt company with deep Russian ties ran by a very evil man.

Sure. But that alone doesn’t imply corruption for (x) Biden any more so than Trump dealing with corrupt Russian businessmen and Putin immediately indicates corruption for his own ties, as well.

…we haven't even begin to explore just how deep this goes, you dodge, duck and, avoid, any attempts to actually dig into this.

No ducking or dodging here. I’ve literally point-blank asked you to provide something tangible and relevant about either of the two Biden’s (Bidenses? Lol) activities that show some evidence of corrupt intent or actions. I’ve been asking you for years.