Church membership numbers not good.

[Philo Sofee]

You mean to tell me that after nearly 30 years of internet access, people are still joining this church?

Astonishing isn't it...

[Shulem]

You mean to tell me that after nearly 30 years of internet access, people are still joining this church?

Astonishing isn't it...

Which also means that Mormon apologists have become more hardened than ever as they sink deeper into the mire while trying to defend the proven lies of Mormonism. Apologists today willingly sell their souls by lying at any cost and openly deny truth when it's shines brightly over everything and illuminates the lies of the Church. But lying for the Lord is the foundation of Mormon apologetics. It sucks to be a Mormon apologist. Can you imagine having to defend Joseph Smith for claiming there is a King's name in Facsimile No. 3? This lie can only be defended by making up other lies out of thin air.

I don't see the Church growing as it hoped to. It is shrinking and will continue to shrink. Nobody is going to join the Church without first checking the Internet and doing some basic research.

[Fence Sitter]

You mean to tell me that after nearly 30 years of internet access, people are still joining this church?

Astonishing isn't it...

People are still joining the Mormon church for the same reasons they did before the internet. They meet someone who is a member they like, spend a little time listening to hagiographical presentations on it and then join. Those that spend anytime on the internet actually verifying what they have learned don't join. After they join they start to learn what a huge time and money sink it really is. This drives off the majority of the new converts who realize their new found friendships just aren't worth all that sacrifice. And, I am pretty sure, there is a lot of new members in areas like Africa who still do not have access to the information on the internet that would convince them not to join.

[Chap]

Marcus, I have you on ignore so I’m unable to see your posts on any thread I participate in. So I guess you can say whatever you want and get away with it without any interference from me.

I noticed you had made a comment after mine recently on this thread but I am, by choice, not able to see it. I would imagine you’re going to have a field day or two. I’m not going to look at any of your posts.

I can’t spend any more time with you.

Thanks.

Regards,
MG

Can you see his replies when someone else quotes them?

Yes, he can!

[Chap]

Lots of announcements - not so many temples, though ...

The temple statistics came up in a couple of Reddit threads. It seems Nelson has announced 100 temples during his tenure as President, but only 2 of those 100 he announced have opened.

The number of temples Nelson has both announced and completed so far is 2: Praia Cape Verde Temple, Yigo Guam Temple. An additional 12 have been completed during Nelson's tenure that were announced by predecessors.

… 46 temples currently under construction. Of those announced by Nelson, 39 have had their groundbreaking or have a groundbreaking date set in the near future.

https://www.reddit.com/user/ldsstatistics

So 100 announcements by Nelson, 2 completed, 39 have had a groundbreaking or have a scheduled future groundbreaking date. That leaves 59 temples announced by Nelson in 4 years, with no plans. I wonder what the logic is in having so many in limbo? Has land been purchased, at least?

[dastardly stem]

[dastardly stem]

I was going to put the rest of my updated charts here that I've shared before, but the board says my quota is reached. I'll see if I can figure it out later, for any interested parties.

[Marcus]

Lots of announcements - not so many temples, though ...

The temple statistics came up in a couple of Reddit threads. It seems Nelson has announced 100 temples during his tenure as President, but only 2 of those 100 he announced have opened.



So 100 announcements by Nelson, 2 completed, 39 have had a groundbreaking or have a scheduled future groundbreaking date. That leaves 59 temples announced by Nelson in 4 years, with no plans. I wonder what the logic is in having so many in limbo? Has land been purchased, at least?

An article published April 39, just prior to Nelson’s announcement of 17 more, gave additional details (apparently there aren’t 2 completed, but 2 scheduled for dedication):

Altogether, the 83 announced temples are the most ever announced by a single Church president — slightly ahead of the 78 locations identified by the late President Gordon B. Hinckley.

A breakdown by status for the 83 temples President Nelson has announced:

Scheduled for dedication — 2
Under construction — 32
Scheduled for groundbreaking — 8
With site location and exterior rendering released — 11
In planning and development — 30
The Church has 265 total temples that have been dedicated, are under construction or are in planning and development stages. The 83 temples announced by President Nelson account for 31% of that 265 total.

And a breakdown of the Church’s 265 temples overall:

Dedicated — 170
Scheduled for dedication — 3
Under construction — 43
Scheduled for groundbreaking – 8
With site location and exterior rendering released – 11
In planning and development — 30

https://www.thechurchnews.com/temples/2 ... tus-246115

So… none of the 100 temples announced by Nelson are actually functioning yet?

[Physics Guy]

The membership increase clung bizarrely close to 300K or so over a bizarrely long time, like nearly thirty years, if I remember rightly. The change in absolute number was so steady that it wasn't clear that it even made sense to think in terms of percentage growth rates; the church membership seemed to be on a fixed income, rather than enjoying compound interest at any rate.

Whatever was going on in that linear growth era, however, it started changing somewhere around 2015. It certainly seems to be over now.

[Marcus]

I was going to put the rest of my updated charts here that I've shared before, but the board says my quota is reached. I'll see if I can figure it out later, for any interested parties.

That seems like a weird restriction! After all the recent discussion it is free speech in graph form that is restricted?

Sorry, I couldn’t resist, but please, yes, see if you can. I appreciate seeing your graphs- maybe a mod can weigh in on it.