Public Space and Public Education

[Kishkumen]

I think that like music, sexuality is one of those things that kids learn from other kids and they don't care what their parents think or what their teachers think. Given media and music in America still rebels against conservative social mores, I expect that kids will figure out the social acceptability parts on their own.

I have seen this unfold before my own eyes. Having a conversation with your kids about their possible gender identity is something like a former generation's discussion of astrology. Everyone is engaged in this conversation with their peers, so they are almost inevitably going to engage in that thought process.

[ajax18]

It started out as consenting adults behind closed doors. Now you want to teach my 1st grader about homosexuality and tell her it's ok. Why? And why has the number of transgender people risen enormously? Up to 20% of the rising generation view themselves as intersex. We need to lock people up for taking an extra oxycodone but a kid can get gender reassignment surgery and permanently disfigure himself and the parents can't do anything to stop him?

I am part of the public to. It's my tax money paying the teachers salary as well. And there is no reason for you to be teaching my child about homosexuality nor trying to mold his mind about it. I view homosexuality as immoral and no you don't get to tell my kid that it's ok.

You are the ideal opponent in this debate, Ajax. Yes, it really did go there, despite the fact that everyone swore up and down that it was hysterical to think that it would. Plato was right when he observed that people, being imitators of what they see, ought not to be exposed to what is thought to be immoral because they would emulate it. Well, duh, they do. Hell, it was Al Gore the Climate Guy who updated Plato's argument in this regard with the aid of science.

But, here's the thing. All of this is leading to a lower human population. As people get wealthier, they have fewer kids. They cultivate and satisfy desires in all kinds of outre forms. And, as a result, they are less likely to leave behind their DNA. It is the simple folk out there going to church and having all of those kids who will be the future generation to repeat the process of civilizational decline.

Perhaps that should be some consolation to you in your disgust. At least there will be fewer liberals in the next generation to worry about. They don't have enough kids.

I just don't want my kids coming home telling me their teacher told them they might be gay. That shouldn't be happening in government funded schools. Sadly I now have to screen the disney movies they watch now due to their efforts insert queer parts. About 0.2% of the population probably has actual same gender attraction or some other odd phenomenon of nature. The other 25% of the rising generation have just been brainwashed queer. I'm not going to let you indoctrinate my kids on homosexuality.

[Kishkumen]

I just don't want my kids coming home telling me their teacher told them they might be gay. That shouldn't be happening in government funded schools. Sadly I now have to screen the disney movies they watch now due to their efforts insert queer parts. About 0.2% of the population probably has actual same gender attraction or some other odd phenomenon of nature. The other 25% of the rising generation have just been brainwashed queer. I'm not going to let you do that to my kids.

As it happens, I won’t be doing that to anyone’s kids. You could only dream of having me as your kids’ teacher, because I refuse to indoctrinate them in just about anything. I teach Roman history and Latin to college students for a reason. I am more worried that I will get into trouble for being misinterpreted as having said something offensive.

[ajax18]

As it happens, I won’t be doing that to anyone’s kids. You could only dream of having me as your kids’ teacher, because I refuse to indoctrinate them in just about anything. I teach Roman history and Latin to college students for a reason. I am more worried that I will get into trouble for being misinterpreted as having said something offensive.

I misspoke. I didn't mean you personally. I meant the politicians that you vote for. I'm going to fight their efforts to indoctrinate my kids in homosexuality or for that matter talk about sex at all with 3rd grade and below.

[Kishkumen]

I have a better idea. How about you religious nuts keep your bigoted views to yourselves and let separation between religion and state play itself out as intended. The only reason schools are trending towards teaching the importance of diversity is because people like you for centuries have stigmatized all of those people your religion has taught you to hate, leading to bullying and dramatically increased risks of teen suicide. Nearly a third of gay youths have attempted suicide. More than half of all transgendered individuals have contemplated suicide. [url=https://www.Hillary Clinton.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-suicide-among-trans-adolescen]More than half of the males have attempted suicide[/url] whereas nearly one in three females have. Why? Because they've been taught that they are an abomination before God, and they've been traditionally ostracized and mocked by society. Because of people like you with zero compassion or empathy, they feel like they have no place in this world. Let's face the facts. You belong to a religion that has for more than a century taught that black people are cursed by God, that their skin color was to remind them of their disobedience and inferiority among the whites.

As far as teaching polygamy, I wouldn't give a flying damn if one of my kid's teachers mentioned he/she was a polygamist. But the difference here is that polygamy is illegal whereas being gay is not.

I think the idea is that one never knows what will be the hot-button issue that will make people wish their kids were not being indoctrinated. Is it evolution? Is it gender? Is it family structure? Is it, horror of horrors, religion? Someone is going to be upset by what their kids are exposed to in public schools. If you were my kids' teacher, and I were really religious, I would be worried about your bigoted views about religious people.

[K Graham]

It started out as consenting adults behind closed doors. Now you want to teach my 1st grader about homosexuality and tell her it's ok. Why? And why has the number of transgender people risen enormously? Up to 20% of the rising generation view themselves as intersex. We need to lock people up for taking an extra oxycodone but a kid can get gender reassignment surgery and permanently disfigure himself and the parents can't do anything to stop him?

I am part of the public to. It's my tax money paying the teachers salary as well. And there is no reason for you to be teaching my child about homosexuality nor trying to mold his mind about it. I view homosexuality as immoral and no you don't get to tell my kid that it's ok.

You are the ideal opponent in this debate, Ajax. Yes, it really did go there, despite the fact that everyone swore up and down that it was hysterical to think that it would. Plato was right when he observed that people, being imitators of what they see, ought not to be exposed to what is thought to be immoral because they would emulate it. Well, duh, they do. Hell, it was Al Gore the Climate Guy who updated Plato's argument in this regard with the aid of science.

But, here's the thing. All of this is leading to a lower human population. As people get wealthier, they have fewer kids. They cultivate and satisfy desires in all kinds of outre forms. And, as a result, they are less likely to leave behind their DNA. It is the simple folk out there going to church and having all of those kids who will be the future generation to repeat the process of civilizational decline.

Perhaps that should be some consolation to you in your disgust. At least there will be fewer liberals in the next generation to worry about. They don't have enough kids.

Oh I don't agree with that conclusion at all. I think we as a society are becoming more and more inclusive, more and more irreligious, and more and more progressive. How could this not be the case given our history of Civil Rights and Human Rights movements? Sure, religious people have more kids, but ultimately everyone is a product of their environment, and most people I know who grow up in oppressive religious families end up rebelling against that system. If it weren't for our retarded electoral system which gives a religious nut in South Dakota the same voting power as 300 liberals in California, and allows Republican legislatures to suppress votes via suppression laws and gerrymandering, the true minority status of their positions would be more apparent.

[Gadianton]

The law contains a provision allowing parents to sue school districts, similar to the Texas abortion law

well there's that. My ruminations were just in general, and coming from kids going through the system in California. I guess the hope is that stupid laws will eventually either get shot down from being usable by higher judges or in this case, find a way to game the system and sue right-wing teachers by their own law.

[Kishkumen]

I misspoke. I didn't mean you personally. I meant the politicians that you vote for. I'm going to fight their efforts to indoctrinate my kids in homosexuality or for that matter talk about sex at all with 3rd grade and below.

If your kids were in my classroom, and they were young, I probably would not spend any time on the subject. Still, I think it is pretty awful to hold the threat of lawsuits over teachers, especially when they are paid so little. But Ron DeSantis would rather look tough than have compassion for the school teachers he already treats so shamefully.

[Kishkumen]

well there's that. My ruminations were just in general, and coming from kids going through the system in California. I guess the hope is that stupid laws will eventually either get shot down from being usable by higher judges or in this case, find a way to game the system and sue right-wing teachers by their own law.

Yeah, I really do hope that this law gets shot down eventually. It is really a bad law, made mostly for political gain.

[Kishkumen]

Oh I don't agree with that conclusion at all. I think we as a society are becoming more and more inclusive, more and more irreligious, and more and more progressive. How could this not be the case given our history of Civil Rights and Human Rights movements? Sure, religious people have more kids, but ultimately everyone is a product of their environment, and most people I know who grow up in oppressive religious families end up rebelling against that system. If it weren't for our retarded electoral system which gives a religious nut in South Dakota the same voting power as 300 liberals in California, and allows Republican legislatures to suppress votes via suppression laws and gerrymandering, the true minority status of their positions would be more apparent.

Then I suppose you have much to be sanguine about in your bright future. Ajax must just be casual entertainment for you, since he and his ilk are not threat whatsoever.