Also I did quote the part you "added". Even took a moment to format the PDF.
This doesn't speak well of your reading of other people's posts. Can't imagine it does much for your ability to understand arguments being made regarding your preconceived beliefs, either.
Okay I missed it…but you do not comment on my points.
I am still waiting for your response to “at the time”. And the above points I made. It is always about attacking me, and never actually setting into the questions.
This was in 2015…and Hunter Biden was already on board with Burisma…your paste reads that JB was publically calling for Shokin’s removal. This in no way shows what you claim. In fact if you put the dates together, it shows that JB was after Shokin early on . Keep in mind Shokin was only in office for 13 months…
There is a different side to the Shokin story that, right or wrong, shows the different side to this. This is documented in a later series of the documentary. Again I am not sure what you are afraid in seeing the documentary, checking out the references provided for…and then comment knowing both sides of the story. There are interviews from Shokin that, again true or not, show the other side of the story.
You forgot to paste this part of the senate document….
Washington's approach to reform and the Ukrainian economy is also
mixed. On the plus side, the Obama administration understands well the
nuances of Ukrainian reform. It recognizes that the government in Kyiv
needs outside encouragement and, at times, tough love, to make the
right reform choice. Mr. Biden, in particular, has devoted a great deal
of time to promoting reform in Ukraine, and he has not been reluctant
to tell Mr. Poroshenko and Mr. Yatsenyuk when they have shirked the
hard choices that need to be made. This was evident in the
conversations regarding Mr. Shokin and the Office of the Procurator
General.
Remember he was only in office for just over a year, and Hunter was already at Burisma…and the other side of the story is that Shokin was going to go after Burisma.
So... unprecedented genius it is, huh? Manipulating seasoned diplomates, bankers, magistrates and investigators? Capable of inciting riot in Ukraine with such finesse the CIA must be kicking themselves he failed to join them? Wow. Lucky he's our President.
Again i made a valid point and showed your view has no bearing. The bolder part also show how much Biden was charged with “rooting out corruption.” He was leading that effort to work with the government to root out corruption, working from the top.
Again i made a valid point and showed your view has no bearing. The bolder part also show how much Biden was charged with “rooting out corruption.” He was leading that effort to work with the government to root out corruption, working from the top.
It's always a pleasure engaging with you, Markk. A brilliant opportunity to engage in zen practice.
I'd hoped it was obvious to you that for your belief to be true about Biden would mean he was manipulating practically the entire world, instigating riots, and essentially bamboozling the whole of the Ukraine, US, and EU to see Shokin as a villain that needed removed for the benefit of his son.
Do you think this is more likely than he was responding to the information available and exercising his authority to realize a broadly held view regarding the need for Shokin to be removed for the benefit of reform in Ukraine? Or you maintain he twisted everyone involved around his masterful finger?
I mean, you have the word of Shokin himself and a French blogger in the pocket of Putin on your side of the argument so...yeah. Common sense. Two sides to every argument means we can't puzzle out the probability of one being more likely than the other so let's go with the one that maintains our biases, right?
Again i made a valid point and showed your view has no bearing. The bolder part also show how much Biden was charged with “rooting out corruption.” He was leading that effort to work with the government to root out corruption, working from the top.
It's always a pleasure engaging with you, Markk. A brilliant opportunity to engage in zen practice.
I'd hoped it was obvious to you that for your belief to be true about Biden would mean he was manipulating practically the entire world, instigating riots, and essentially bamboozling the whole of the Ukraine, US, and EU to see Shokin as a villain that needed removed for the benefit of his son.
Do you think this is more likely than he was responding to the information available and exercising his authority to realize a broadly held view regarding the need for Shokin to be removed for the benefit of reform in Ukraine? Or you maintain he twisted everyone involved around his masterful finger?
I mean, you have the word of Shokin himself and a French blogger in the pocket of Putin on your side of the argument so...yeah. Common sense. Two sides to every argument means we can't puzzle out the probability of one being more likely than the other so let's go with the one that maintains our biases, right?
Honor, the french blogger, who is a economist, and typically goes after people who cheat and steal. He even went after Bush. But he backed up what he asserts with video “foot notes” so to speak. Is it all correct, probably not, but one can follow the “foot notes.” What word do you have, a crack head, his partner who is currently in prison, the IG who did something like three years in prison for embezzlement and other charges…and a slew of other known corrupt politicians. You also have JB who seems to always be around this corruption, and is loosing credibility day by day.
We don’t know for sure why Joe did it, but we do know he did it.
Here is another question you won’t answer, Did JB realize that by having Shokin fired it might create a problem , if even by perception, in that Hunter was working for a corrupt gangster in the energy business. Or did this come out of the Blue Clear Sky…meaning is he really that stupid.
Honor, the french blogger, who is a economist, and typically goes after people who cheat and steal. He even went after Bush. But he backed up what he asserts with video “foot notes” so to speak. Is it all correct, probably not, but one can follow the “foot notes.” What word do you have, a crack head, his partner who is currently in prison, the IG who did something like three years in prison for embezzlement and other charges…and a slew of other known corrupt politicians. You also have JB who seems to always be around this corruption, and is loosing credibility day by day.
We don’t know for sure why Joe did it, but we do know he did it.
We absolutely know why Biden did it. You are just in denial. Your list is telling in it's omissions.
Here is another question you won’t answer, Did JB realize that by having Shokin fired it might create a problem , if even by perception, in that Hunter was working for a corrupt gangster in the energy business.
Given I'm unaware of definitive statements and lack the ability to read minds, this appears to be a question where we don't know. My guess is he did given the issue had been raised with the Office of the VP. Why he didn't asked Hunter to step down once he was aware of his appointment to the board? Don't know.
Or did this come out of the Blue Clear Sky…meaning is he really that stupid.
He can't be stupid if he is able to convince the world Shokin needed to go only because he believed it would benefit his son. I mean, the people who had access and direct knowledge of which investigations were in process in the PG office when Shokin was in charge yet decried his influence on maintaining a culture of corruption including resigning their positions alone is remarkable if he convinced them to do what they did rather than Shokin actually being an obstacle. Biden had the Brits completely bamboozled in your hypothetical were it true Shokin was above board and pursuing investigations into Burisma and Zlochevsky. Manipulating the EU? Child's play for super genius Biden.
Honor, the french blogger, who is a economist, and typically goes after people who cheat and steal. He even went after Bush. But he backed up what he asserts with video “foot notes” so to speak. Is it all correct, probably not, but one can follow the “foot notes.” What word do you have, a crack head, his partner who is currently in prison, the IG who did something like three years in prison for embezzlement and other charges…and a slew of other known corrupt politicians. You also have JB who seems to always be around this corruption, and is loosing credibility day by day.
We don’t know for sure why Joe did it, but we do know he did it.
We absolutely know why Biden did it. You are just in denial. Your list is telling in it's omissions.
Here is another question you won’t answer, Did JB realize that by having Shokin fired it might create a problem , if even by perception, in that Hunter was working for a corrupt gangster in the energy business.
Given I'm unaware of definitive statements and lack the ability to read minds, this appears to be a question where we don't know. My guess is he did given the issue had been raised with the Office of the VP. Why he didn't asked Hunter to step down once he was aware of his appointment to the board? Don't know.
Or did this come out of the Blue Clear Sky…meaning is he really that stupid.
He can't be stupid if he is able to convince the world Shokin needed to go only because he believed it would benefit his son. I mean, the people who had access and direct knowledge of which investigations were in process in the PG office when Shokin was in charge yet decried his influence on maintaining a culture of corruption including resigning their positions alone is remarkable if he convinced them to do what they did rather than Shokin actually being an obstacle. Biden had the Brits completely bamboozled in your hypothetical were it true Shokin was above board and pursuing investigations into Burisma and Zlochevsky. Manipulating the EU? Child's play for super genius Biden.
You kinda need to pick a lane on that one.
You thinkyouknowwhy he did it, based on what you have been feed. What if, just if,Shokin was actually going after MZ…would that change you position?
Honor, the french blogger, who is a economist, and typically goes after people who cheat and steal. He even went after Bush. But he backed up what he asserts with video “foot notes” so to speak. Is it all correct, probably not, but one can follow the “foot notes.” What word do you have, a crack head, his partner who is currently in prison, the IG who did something like three years in prison for embezzlement and other charges…and a slew of other known corrupt politicians. You also have JB who seems to always be around this corruption, and is loosing credibility day by day.
We don’t know for sure why Joe did it, but we do know he did it.
We absolutely know why Biden did it. You are just in denial. Your list is telling in it's omissions.
Here is another question you won’t answer, Did JB realize that by having Shokin fired it might create a problem , if even by perception, in that Hunter was working for a corrupt gangster in the energy business.
Given I'm unaware of definitive statements and lack the ability to read minds, this appears to be a question where we don't know. My guess is he did given the issue had been raised with the Office of the VP. Why he didn't asked Hunter to step down once he was aware of his appointment to the board? Don't know.
Or did this come out of the Blue Clear Sky…meaning is he really that stupid.
He can't be stupid if he is able to convince the world Shokin needed to go only because he believed it would benefit his son. I mean, the people who had access and direct knowledge of which investigations were in process in the PG office when Shokin was in charge yet decried his influence on maintaining a culture of corruption including resigning their positions alone is remarkable if he convinced them to do what they did rather than Shokin actually being an obstacle. Biden had the Brits completely bamboozled in your hypothetical were it true Shokin was above board and pursuing investigations into Burisma and Zlochevsky. Manipulating the EU? Child's play for super genius Biden.
You kinda need to pick a lane on that one.
You think you know why he did it, based on what you have been feed. What if, just if, Shokin was actually going after Burisma/MZ…would that change you position?
You mean besides the security racket job of investigation to procure bribe money, then leaving investigations open but inactive to keep the leverage in place?
Again, you believe what you believe due to a bias that causes you to side with a guilty Shokin and a Russian propoganda spreading French blogger. Major international institutions, the deputy PG, the US Senate, and the people of Ukraine who protested to see Shokin removed disagree.
You mean besides the security racket job of investigation to procure bribe money, then leaving investigations open but inactive to keep the leverage in place?
Again, you believe what you believe due to a bias that causes you to side with a guilty Shokin and a Russian propoganda spreading French blogger. Major international institutions, the deputy PG, the US Senate, and the people of Ukraine who protested to see Shokin removed disagree.
I understand your position. My question was and is “if” Shokin, (he had over 10k investigators under him) was looking into and taking action against Burisma/MZ…would it change your opinion?
When I was struggling with Mormonism, scaring person asked me the same question about Joesph Smith…with a “if he was actually a false prophet would it change my view”….that was a hard look at my motives and if I was strong enough to actually enter into real critical thought about what i was told to believe. So, my question stands Honor.
You mean besides the security racket job of investigation to procure bribe money, then leaving investigations open but inactive to keep the leverage in place?
Again, you believe what you believe due to a bias that causes you to side with a guilty Shokin and a Russian propoganda spreading French blogger. Major international institutions, the deputy PG, the US Senate, and the people of Ukraine who protested to see Shokin removed disagree.
I understand your position. My question was and is “if” Shokin, (he had over 10k investigators under him) was looking into and taking action against Burisma/MZ…would it change your opinion?
When I was struggling with Mormonism, scaring person asked me the same question about Joesph Smith…with a “if he was actually a false prophet would it change my view”….that was a hard look at my motives and if I was strong enough to actually enter into real critical thought about what i was told to believe. So, my question stands Honor.
This is not comparable to Joseph Smith. You are obsessed with Joe Biden being engaged in a scandal with his son Hunter. That makes your question less about Shokin and more about "if" Joe Biden may have demanded Shokin be removed to benefit Hunter via benefiting Burisma. For that to be possible, it takes more than Shokin to have been investigating Burisma beyond his use of investigations to collect bribes (a practice common to the prosecutor generals office in general). It means insanely sophisticated international organizations had to have been bamboozled by Biden, the Ukrainian people misled by Biden, and two branches of the US government wrapped around his finger for that to be a tenable position.
It's more like the Book of Mormon being ancient rather than a product of the 19th century. Sure, if you buy into that at the front end you can find reasons to squint and see Lamanites somewhere in the Americas if you want that to be true.
But the evidence as a whole makes that preposterous. Your best case would be if Biden took advantage of Shokin's corruption to get rid of him if you really need to believe in Lamanites.
Put simply, you don't have evidence of Joe Biden profiting off of his office. You have evidence Hunter did, trading on his dad's name. And he did, I agree. But Hunter Biden is no better or worse than Don Jr. And Joe Biden is no Donald Trump when it comes to self-serving abuse of office. He's had issues in his past where he was clearly representing the interests of businesses from Delaware, but that's the case with every politician. That's what you actually have once you stop being the John Sorenson of Joe Biden conspiracy peddling.