Paradise Split from LDS Scout Leader charged with several counts of criminal sexual conduct

[doubtingthomas]

No gif could get anywhere near expressing my incredulity.

Chap, you see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary.

[doubtingthomas]

young people who are groomed

Hold on here. "Young people" has multiple meanings, is 21 years old young? Can you please clarify what you mean by "young people".

If some dude (who is lonely and has no experience) is nice to a younger woman to convince her to sleep with him, would his action to be considered grooming?

[Chap]

No gif could get anywhere near expressing my incredulity.

Chap, you see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary.

A frankly idiotic comment.

[doubtingthomas]

A frankly idiotic comment.

Sure!

The intention of the person (whoever it was) who wrote the bolded text was clearly to show that Mary consented to her role in God's plan for human salvation, which is how it has always been interpreted. And indeed Mary has been seen in Roman Catholic theology as the 'co-redemptrix" for that reason.



You OK with that now?

[doubtingthomas]

OK - let's not call it "grooming" in these non-intentional situations

Okay. You seem to be another expert on this topic. So let me ask you

If some dude (who is lonely and has no experience) is nice to a younger woman to convince her to sleep with him, would his action to be considered grooming?

[Chap]

I am an atheist, and I do not believe that the events recounted in the gospel infancy narratives took place.

In the post you partly quote from, I explained what the writer of a particular gospel text apparently wished to convey, I think that most New Testament scholars, believers or atheists, would agree. But since the events recounted are imaginary, it is ridiculous to say that I "see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary." The whole thing is fiction.

But that you should post something ridiculous is no great surprise.

[doubtingthomas]

I am an atheist, and I do not believe that the events recounted in the gospel infancy narratives took place..

I know, but you said it was consensual. So it means you don't see a problem with the religious belief that god impregnated Mary. The story is true for billions.

I guess it is not "grooming" when god does it.

[Chap]

I am an atheist, and I do not believe that the events recounted in the gospel infancy narratives took place.

In the post you partly quote from, I explained what the writer of a particular gospel text apparently wished to convey, I think that most New Testament scholars, believers or atheists, would agree. But since the events recounted are imaginary, it is ridiculous to say that I "see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary." The whole thing is fiction.

But that you should post something ridiculous is no great surprise.

I know, but you said it was consensual.

As I said in my post, the writer of the gospel text in question, which I believe to be fictional, wanted to convey that Mary consented (to bearing the child that the angel announced to her). Since I believe that the events described did not take place it is ridiculous to ask me whether or not "it was consensual".

Try to think clearly, please. You are wasting a lot of time on this nonsense.

[malkie]

OK - let's not call it "grooming" in these non-intentional situations

Okay. You seem to be another expert on this topic. So let me ask you

If some dude (who is lonely and has no experience) is nice to a younger woman to convince her to sleep with him, would his action to be considered grooming?

I made no claim to expertise in grooming. I'm not sure what makes you think that.

However, as a long-time practitioner of the English language, I'm simply responding to the definition apparently covering only intentional activity for nefarious purposes. I'm suggesting that, if grooming is not the correct term, then some other term should be created for actions that unintentionally cause the same effect - encouraging a vulnerable person to relax their inhibitions - that may be taken advantage of later.

Your question is sufficiently vague that I suspect I could not answer it to your satisfaction even if I were an expert.

[doubtingthomas]

But since the events recounted are imaginary, it is ridiculous to say that I "see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary." The whole thing is fiction.

Do you see anything wrong with the fictional story of the virgin birth? Do you believe that Mary (in the story) consented to get pregnant?