But since the events recounted are imaginary, it is ridiculous to say that I "see nothing wrong with the idea that God impregnated young Mary." The whole thing is fiction.
Do you see anything wrong with the fictional story of the virgin birth? Do you believe that Mary (in the story) consented to get pregnant?
Round and round in circles we go. I am happy for our readers (if any remain, which I doubt) to give their opinions on such questions, including whether Zeus should be criticised for having sex with a swan, whether Enlil should have tried to wipe out the human race with a flood and so on and so forth. Oh, and there are quite a few rapists and murderers in Game of Thrones, aren't there?
Of course none of these fictional stories gives any human being the right to commit bad acts in real life.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
However, as a long-time practitioner of the English language, I'm simply responding to the definition apparently covering only intentional activity for nefarious purposes. I'm suggesting that, if grooming is not the correct term, then some other term should be created for actions that unintentionally cause the same effect - encouraging a vulnerable person to relax their inhibitions - that may be taken advantage of later.
I guess "grooming" can mean many things. For some it means seduction. [1]
So in your opinion, is it wrong for a man to seduce a younger woman? Do not assume coercion or sexual harassment.
1. Lanning, Kenneth. "The evolution of grooming: Concept and term." Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33, no. 1 (2018): 5-16.
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"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
Of course none of these fictional stories gives any human being the right to commit bad acts in real life.
So do you see anything wrong with the fictional story of a god who impregnated a young girl? Yes or No?
How do you personally decide whether there is 'anything wrong' with a fictional story about a god? This seems to be yet another of your silly questions. Why are you so obsessed with this?
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
How do you personally decide whether there is 'anything wrong' with a fictional story about a god? This seems to be yet another of your silly questions. Why are you so obsessed with this?
There is nothing else to talk about.
I am simply pointing out that you don't see anything wrong with the Virgin Mary story. But it's okay. Don't worry about it.
Just forget it. Never mind. Let's not get obsessed with this topic.
God gets a pass on this one.
I guess Mormon Bishops also get a pass when they speak for god.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
However, as a long-time practitioner of the English language, I'm simply responding to the definition apparently covering only intentional activity for nefarious purposes. I'm suggesting that, if grooming is not the correct term, then some other term should be created for actions that unintentionally cause the same effect - encouraging a vulnerable person to relax their inhibitions - that may be taken advantage of later.
I guess "grooming" can mean many things. For some it means seduction. [1]
So in your opinion, is it wrong for a man to seduce a younger woman? Do not assume coercion or sexual harassment.
1. Lanning, Kenneth. "The evolution of grooming: Concept and term." Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33, no. 1 (2018): 5-16.
It's not necessarily wrong - but there are lots of factors that could make it more or less likely to be acceptable to me personally, and to society.
For example:
when I was a school teacher it would definitely have been wrong for me to seduce one of my younger female students - or even one who was older than I was
when I was single it would probably not have been wrong for me to seduce a female fellow student, though I can easily imagine circumstances in which it probably would have been wrong, or definitely would have been wrong
Perhaps I'm misjudging your question, but it seems to me that you want to make this a black and white issue, in spite of there likely being many shades of grey possible in a real example. It's almost as if you yourself cannot imagine how different circumstances would change the likelihood of it being considered wrong, or that you want to ignore the very real potential differences between personal and societal expectations, and evaluations of right and wrong.
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However, as a long-time practitioner of the English language, I'm simply responding to the definition apparently covering only intentional activity for nefarious purposes. I'm suggesting that, if grooming is not the correct term, then some other term should be created for actions that unintentionally cause the same effect - encouraging a vulnerable person to relax their inhibitions - that may be taken advantage of later.
I guess "grooming" can mean many things. For some it means seduction. [1]
So in your opinion, is it wrong for a man to seduce a younger woman? Do not assume coercion or sexual harassment.
1. Lanning, Kenneth. "The evolution of grooming: Concept and term." Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33, no. 1 (2018): 5-16.
You pulled that completely out of context. The article is about sex abuse of children. The point of the article, as stated in the abstract, is not to equate grooming with seduction, but to stress the importance of precise terminology when discussing child abuse.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
How do you personally decide whether there is 'anything wrong' with a fictional story about a god? This seems to be yet another of your silly questions. Why are you so obsessed with this?
There is nothing else to talk about.
I am simply pointing out that you don't see anything wrong with the Virgin Mary story.
It's a fictional story about a non-existent god. I have no view on it's "rightness" or "wrongness".
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
It's not necessarily wrong - but there are lots of factors that could make it more or less likely to be acceptable to me personally, and to society.
So we agree. My question is in regards to IHAQ quote, "Children and young people who are groomed can be sexually abused, exploited or trafficked....Groomers may also build a relationship with the young person's family or friends to make them seem trustworthy".
Can a younger woman be "groomed", if so, would that automatically be abuse? Assume there is no real coercion, harassment, and the guy is not in a position of authority.
The point of the article, as stated in the abstract, is not to equate grooming with seduction, but to stress the importance of precise terminology when discussing child abuse.
Wrong article, sorry, but I do agree with that point. Thanks for pointing that out.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
It's not necessarily wrong - but there are lots of factors that could make it more or less likely to be acceptable to me personally, and to society.
So we agree. My question is in regards to IHAQ quote, "Children and young people who are groomed can be sexually abused, exploited or trafficked....Groomers may also build a relationship with the young person's family or friends to make them seem trustworthy".
Can a younger woman be "groomed", if so, would that automatically be abuse? Assume there is no real coercion, harassment, and the guy is not in a position of authority.
The point of the article, as stated in the abstract, is not to equate grooming with seduction, but to stress the importance of precise terminology when discussing child abuse.
Wrong article, sorry, but I do agree with that point. Thanks for pointing that out.
I've learned to be cautious when someone proclaims agreement with me on a complex topic. Especially when that someone seems intent on simplifying the issue.
Exactly what is it that you believe we have agreed on?
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