RvW Overturned - Abortions Now Illegal

[Gadianton]

I don't support violent protests, as I've said before, I think protesting is pretty lame on the whole.

What I do find interesting is right-wing logic. Why are they getting violent when they just won?

Violence might be wrong, but it at least makes sense in the case of those who just lost a right and are angry about it.

The Supreme Court overturned the cornerstone of modern society. It really happened. Something big and impacting that really happened made a lot of people angry. Right or wrong, it's understandable.

In contrast, if you're a right-winger, you're spurred to violence over stupid crap that's obviously false that people are just making up, such as stolen elections. Either that, or when you get your way and win, then you're also driven to violence. Some may see this as a people just looking for an excuse to be perpetually angry. The fruits of too much religion, I guess.

[Kukulkan]

What I do find interesting is right-wing logic. Why are they getting violent when they just won?

Because the impending protests give excuses for jackoffs like the Proud Boys to assault people.

[Morley]

Abortion was never a constitutional right...

Binger, I don't think you're right. When Roe was decided, abortion--by definition--became a constitutional right. Now that Dobbs has been decided, it's no longer a protected right. That's how the Constitution works.

Right or wrong, some people are upset that a constitutionally protected right has been taken away.

[honorentheos]

I thought it was overturned by the Supreme Court, not the GOP and their voters.

Had McConnell not stonewalled Merrick Garland's nomination with full disregard for the institutional traditions involved it's unlikely the ruling yesterday would have gone as it did.

Now, one could argue had Democrat voters in 2016 been more like Conservative voters in 2016 and seen the issue of potentially 3 justices being nominated by the winner of that election as the primary motivation for voting for a candidate or staying home it would also be a different day. But in my lifetime conservatives have always been better able to vote for a person they don't like who will get the job done. Progressives tend to get more butthurt over small differences, in large part because it's hard to find big ideal beliefs and aims progressive hold in common. Trump took office with limited appeal to conservatives who ultimately warmed to him, in no small part because of the outrage he elicited from progressives and the overall economic prosperity of the first three years of his term.

Anyway, the ideological makeup of the current Supreme Court is the result of a very short window of voter turmoil. Mitch earned his dark money yesterday.

Progressive: How can you vote for that guy? He's a scummy human being.

Conservative: He will put judges in place that will overturn the moral decay of the nation, including ending baby murder.

Progressive: But he is on record as having supported abortion and probably paid for a few himself.

Conservative: He will do it because we know the type of devil he is. He needs us. And God doesn't need him to be perfect to be able to make use of him.

Progressive: I don't understand how you can vote like that!??? We need to be able to pretend our candidates are perfect before we can vote for and defend them!

Conservative: Sorry, I missed that while being too busy celebrating winning elections.

Progressive: I just hope that handful of representatives can pull out a successful challenge of his electoral college victory.

Conservative: Huh...that's a good idea and now we can say you did it first...

Progressive: But we didn't actually try to cheat when we did it! We believed something was genuinely amiss! And we didn't try to strongarm the VP and state AGs as well!

Conservative: Hmm..sucks to suck I guess. Anyway, I need to go find a cake maker...word is Supreme Court is hot to apply this paleo-originalist approach to all kinds of morally degraded past rulings. Jenny and Clarence have vision and it's looking like 1950 but with Loving v. Virginia in place...

[Binger]

I thought it was overturned by the Supreme Court, not the GOP and their voters.

Had McConnell not stonewalled Merrick Garland's nomination with full disregard for the institutional traditions involved it's unlikely the ruling yesterday would have gone as it did.

Now, one could argue had Democrat voters in 2016 been more like Conservative voters in 2016 and seen the issue of potentially 3 justices being nominated by the winner of that election as the primary motivation for voting for a candidate or staying home it would also be a different day. But in my lifetime conservatives have always been better able to vote for a person they don't like who will get the job done. Progressives tend to get more butthurt over small differences, in large part because it's hard to find big ideal beliefs and aims progressive hold in common. Trump took office with limited appeal to conservatives who ultimately warmed to him, in no small part because of the outrage he elicited from progressives and the overall economic prosperity of the first three years of his term.

Anyway, the ideological makeup of the current Supreme Court is the result of a very short window of voter turmoil. Mitch earned his dark money yesterday.

Mitch is a disgrace to the senate, to his state, to the country and to humanity. As long as he is in a leadership role, the senate will continue to be a circus of idiots. Oh, the same is true for Schumer and Pelosi and McCarthy. Besides bending a knee in a slightly different direction from time to time, they are all the same grift.

Ya know. I don't believe all this whining about Supreme Court from all the whiners. Not even a little bit. When the Federalist Society members were whacking the hell out of the election cases, 5,398,092 to 1, I think, the praise for these Federalist Society members was over the moon and over the top and overdone to the point of nauseum. What is happening today, is just a feelings thing. Another decision will come down and people will love them again. No big deal.

[Binger]

Abortion was never a constitutional right...

Binger, I don't think you're right. When Roe was decided, abortion--by definition--became a constitutional right. Now that Dobbs has been decided, it's no longer a protected right. That's how the Constitution works.

Right or wrong, some people are upset that a constitutionally protected right has been taken away.

I do not see it or understand it that way. Thanks for the explanation Morley. I understand your point.

[Some Schmo]

Why are they getting violent when they just won?

It's what they mean by "pro-life." Nobody is impressed by you beating up a fetus, but a grownup? Good stuff.

[honorentheos]

I've started calling the judicial prerogative expressed in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health as paleo-originalist. It reminds me of advocates for a paleo-diet where the foundation is a fantasy about what some kind of more pure group of humans were doing. Like paleolithic humans were special, living as nature intended rather than omnivores eating what allowed them to survive with margins of success that made survival a question mark we can't appreciate.

That's the view expressed of the founders, an ordained special group who exactly envisioned an America like an imaginary idealized version of the 1950s as remembered by boomers with blood sugar issues messing their memories up.

[Some Schmo]

RvW Overturned - Abortions Now Illegal

I thought it was now up to the individual states to determine legal vs. illegal. In other words, abortion is still legal in every state that wishes it to remain so. Are abortions now illegal across the board?

I was creating a thread title, and went for brevity, but I'm pretty sure you already knew that.

It has become effectively illegal in several states that had trigger laws set up to make it illegal if the Supreme Court overruled RvW. Several other states will soon follow. But you knew that too.

As if we needed additional proof that the GOP and their voters are damned assholes, Roe v Wade has now been overturned.

I thought it was overturned by the Supreme Court, not the GOP and their voters.

Why do you ask questions that make it seem like you're extremely obtuse when I know you aren't?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Then what was it in the article that led you to answer with such aplomb?

- Doc

Nothing in the article, just trust in God and submission to his will for our lives.

Yeah, you didn’t read the article.

- Doc