Binger, your numbers for hospitalization rate are bupkis - good studies for hospitalizations for cv-19 cumulative in the US is 3.5 million - that is 1% of a 332 million member population. If we look at hospitalization rate of those infected it is even higher 3.5%.
If three women arrive at the hospital on the night of a full moon and they are all in labor and deliver their babies at the hospital and the three women test positive for Covid, how are those six patients counted on those charts?
If a patient arrives at the trauma center with a tibial plateau fracture and femur fracture that require emergency surgery and she tests positive for Covid at the Emergency Room, how is that patient counted on the linked charts?
The fact that any grown adult would still think he has an anti-vaccine point to make this far into the pandemic, is a sad testament to our species. Its like facts and evidence are only proof of a coverup of some sort. HFS I can't imagine living in such paranoid delusions.
"He only does it to annoy/ Because he knows it teases"
(Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland)
It gets very lonely down there in the basement.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Binger,
In your own words explain how furious hand waving around edge cases makes the 4 order of magnitude difference in the number of serious adverse effects from the vaccine and the cv-19 hospitalization rate go away? Or the 6 order of magnitude difference in the risk of dying from cv-19 vs the risk of dying from a vaccine?
Binger,
In your own words explain how furious hand waving around edge cases makes the 4 order of magnitude difference in the number of serious adverse effects from the vaccine and the cv-19 hospitalization rate go away?
People are stupid & selfish - what can we say?
Q.E.D.
Those are not edge cases. I picked specific and exact cases that I was involved in. That was not hand waving. That was not furious. You have omitted all serious adverse effects from the vaccine from your analysis and even watched as posters suggest there are no adverse effects, correct?
The hospitalization rate deserves to be scrutinized.
People are smart and selfless - what can we say?
In all seriousness, what do you think is the split between hospitalizations of people with Covid, versus people who are hospitalized because of Covid? Similarly, how many people died with Covid versus people who died because of Covid?
In all seriousness, what do you think is the split between hospitalizations of people with Covid, versus people who are hospitalized because of Covid? Similarly, how many people died with Covid versus people who died because of Covid?
In all seriousness, you're not being serious because you keep regurgitating well debunked FOX News talking points. Next thing you know you're going to tell us about someone who died in a motorcycle accident and his death was chalked up as a "COVID death."
Anyone with any amount of mathematical sense can see the actual COVID deaths are much higher than what the official numbers tell us. Why? Because all cause deaths skyrocketed during the pandemic and official COVID death counts don't account for it all. The fact is people were dying of COVID early on well before we were able to test them. This happened because Trump wanted to halt testing, because as he said, the number are only high if you test them. With no tests you get no COVID deaths! That's the guy you voted for and continue to carry the water for.
It is absurd to think every single COVID related death was officially tallied just like it is absurd to think doctors were saying people died of COVID instead of "with COVID" because they were getting more money for it.
"COVID’s true death toll: much higher than official records" Nature Magazine
"I am not an American ... In my view premarital sex should be illegal ...(there are) mentally challenged people with special needs like myself- Ajax18
But who needs science and facts when you've got the feel good companionship of internet "question your institutions" morons to reinforce your confirmation bias?
"I am not an American ... In my view premarital sex should be illegal ...(there are) mentally challenged people with special needs like myself- Ajax18
The excess mortality of CV-19 will only be more accurately determined in the next few months but we will be well over the 1 million someodd we are currently at when those analysis are performed.
The number of serious adverse effects is low, the number of known deaths last I looked was 4 for 340 million doses. The risks these vaxx deniers keep claiming - simply are not there. 1: 100 million vs 1:300 ods.
That the unvaccinated are dying 8:1 over the vaccinated at this stage and over 10:1 since the vaccine appeared is pretty well established numbers. Unvaccinated are hospitalized 20:1 over the last couple months.
The only failure is in the unvaccinateds' understanding of risk.
