Why did the Covid vaccines fail?

[Binger]

So the vax manufacturers couldn’t create more demand? Gotchya.

[Res Ipsa]

The Lancet article (funded by Gates, LOL!!!!!!) says the opposite of what you think it says. Want me to keep going? Or nah? This article is not the only one to say that the statistics are unreliable but there is enough information to know that there is a massive difference between deaths caused by the virus and deaths caused by the pandemic B.S., including lockdowns, economic turmoil, suicide, opioids and vaccines.

This is a massive misrepresentation of what the article actually says. It ignores significant features about how the study was done. Most importantly, the countries or parts of countries that were included were limited to those that reported all-cause death statistics and had done so for the prior's 11 years. That requirement provided the data from which expected death rates could be projected. Binger is perfectly free to look at the publicly available reported data to see which portion of the excess deaths was caused by suicides or opiate overdose or vaccines. In fact, the authors of the study compared the pattern of officially reported Covid deaths with the pattern of excess deaths and identified and removed deaths during heat waves in Europe from the excess death calculation precisely because there was an identified non-Covid cause of excess deaths during that period.

Use of excess deaths is typically used to determine the total burden of an epidemic or pandemic on a population because it includes direct deaths, indirect deaths and indirect reductions of death (such as as reduced vehicular accidents during lockdowns or voluntarily reduced travel. That makes it a good methodology for helping to estimate the total (net) burden the disease placed on society. But that's only the burden of deaths -- there will be more studies going forward that will estimate the total burden of the disease, including cost of treatment, temporary and permanent disability, etc.

From the standpoint of evaluating how much a disease damages the society as a whole, the difference between a direct death and an indirect death is irrelevant. So are reductions in deaths. That's why, when looking at the impact on society, you count them all. The only reason to exclude numbers from the calculation is if the numbers show some independent cause of increased or decreased deaths during the relevant period.

Whether a distinction matters depends on context. In the context of evaluating the effect of COVID on deaths, the distinction between "the virus" and "the pandemic" is irrelevant.

[Binger]

the distinction between "the virus" and "the pandemic" is irrelevant.

It is enormously relevant when one is making the decision whether to get the vaccine that does not prevent transmission.

[Res Ipsa]

So the vax manufacturers couldn’t create more demand? Gotchya.

To translate for the hard of Binger: "Gothchya" = "I'm changing the subject to something that has nothing to do with what you just said."

[Res Ipsa]

the distinction between "the virus" and "the pandemic" is irrelevant.

It is enormously relevant when one is making the decision whether to get the vaccine that does not prevent transmission.

That was neither the purpose of the study nor the reason the study was cited in the first place. Not playing squirrel.

[Binger]

So the vax manufacturers couldn’t create more demand? Gotchya.

To translate for the hard of Binger: "Gothchya" = "I'm changing the subject to something that has nothing to do with what you just said."

Um. No. It is not that.

[canpakes]

It is enormously relevant when one is making the decision whether to get the vaccine that does not prevent transmission.

Lol. The moving of the goalposts is noted.

[Binger]

It is enormously relevant when one is making the decision whether to get the vaccine that does not prevent transmission.

Lol. The moving of the goalposts is noted.

Who moved the goalposts?

https://youtu.be/nTlxpxdH3Yk

[Vēritās]

Lol. The moving of the goalposts is noted.

Who moved the goalposts?

https://youtu.be/nTlxpxdH3Yk

You did. Now after pages of being proved wrong you want to pretend you were trusting some out of context quips by Biden? This is why it is pointless to even try to have an honest intelligent conversation with you. Why didn't you quote your source from the beginning? Because you like to play these games as if it makes you come off as being cute and witty, when in reality it is pretty pathetic. The guy who lies about not trusting FOX is again referencing Peter Doocey and the far Right Wing blog Daily Caller to provide him with his latest dose of faux outrage based on out of context, edited clips.

Biden's remarks were made well before the virus mutated into Omicron, and at the time it was believed the vaccine would prevent transmissions. But of course, anyone who wasn't being a whiny disingenuous hack would know this. Disingenuous because we all know that people like you would never rely on anything Biden said anyway. You're just using a couple of instances where he misspoke to churn out another dishonest "gotcha" moment to stroke your pathetic little egos and to discount everything Biden said which was pretty much dead on accurate if you understood his point being that vaccinations are important if we're serious about ending the pandemic. But for idiots who think Bill Gates is funding the Lancet so he can make people write things only he wants published, or that he somehow placed microchips in the vaccines, then you're beyond help anyway.

[Binger]

Who moved the goalposts?

https://youtu.be/nTlxpxdH3Yk

You did. Now after pages of being proved wrong you want to pretend you were trusting some out of context quips by Biden? This is why it is pointless to even try to have an honest intelligent conversation with you. Why didn't you quote your source from the beginning? Because you like to play these games as if it makes you come off as being cute and witty, when in reality it is pretty pathetic. The guy who lies about not trusting FOX is again referencing Peter Doocey and the far Right Wing blog Daily Caller to provide him with his latest dose of faux outrage based on out of context, edited clips.

Biden's remarks were made well before the virus mutated into Omicron, and at the time it was believed the vaccine would prevent transmissions. But of course, anyone who wasn't being a whiny disingenuous hack would know this. Disingenuous because we all know that people like you would never rely on anything Biden said anyway. You're just using a couple of instances where he misspoke to churn out another dishonest "gotcha" moment to stroke your pathetic little egos and to discount everything Biden said which was pretty much dead on accurate if you understood his point being that vaccinations are important if we're serious about ending the pandemic. But for idiots who think Bill Gates is funding the Lancet so he can make people write things only he wants published, or that he somehow placed microchips in the vaccines, then you're beyond help anyway.

So you have a theory that people believe the vaccine has microchips?