Mar-A-Lago Legally Searched by FBI

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Generally, you shouldn’t exceed π, to allow for best management.

Seems circular.

Holy crap. Clever.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Le Reddit:

The maga people don’t care. They don’t actually give a crap about classified documents. It’s just something they could use to hurt their enemies.

They cared a lot about pizza parlor pedophiles, and refused to believe it when it was proven to not even be possibly true. But when Matt gaetz is under federal investigation for sec trafficking, meh. They didn’t care about pedophilia, they cared that they thought it could be leveraged against democrats.

They cared a lot about Jeffrey Epstein when it was bill Clinton that was suspected (still is, “F” that guy) of being a client, but won’t even listen to the evidence around Donald Trump being a client. They don’t care about child sex trafficking, they just saw it as a tool.

They care a lot about nepotism when it is joe Biden’s son using his dads power to get a job over seas, but do not care one bit that Donald Trump's kids were given positioned of power within our government, used those positions to gain millions [BILLIONS FROM THE SAUDIS!] of dollars, we’re still also controlling Trump's businesses while in those positions, negotiated real estate deals in hostile nations while in those positions, were explicitly denied security clearance but Trump forced the denials to be overwritten, etc etc. they don’t give a crap about nepotism, they just thought they could use it against democrats.

They care a lot about religious freedom when it’s the Muslims in the Middle East who are threatening it, but don’t give a crap when protesting and threatening the construction of a mosque in Tennessee. They don’t care about religious freedom, they just want to see their own religion “win”

They cared a lot about the ethics of voting on Supreme Court nominees on the same year as a presidential election, but laughed in our faces when they pushed barter through within weeks of the polls. They don’t care about ethics, they saw the opportunity and took it on both sides.

They care a lot about “big government overreach” but are requiring women to take pregnancy tests before they leave right wing states to try to charge them in case they might need an abortion. They don’t care about big government overreach, they took the opportunity to get there first.

When I was in the military, I had an NCO that told me something I’ll never forget. I don’t agree with it, but he was a far right guy from backwoods Louisiana. He said “when you get into hand to hand combat, inside or outside of war, there is no such thing as honor. The only thing that matters is that you win. Lie, break oaths, “F” fairness. Trick him, and beat him.”

This is their attitude. They don’t care about following rules or being honorable. They care about “winning”, which doesn’t mean “prosperity” or anything like that. It means that their football team (gop) wins the game.

[honorentheos]

Le Reddit:

The maga people don’t care. They don’t actually give a crap about classified documents. It’s just something they could use to hurt their enemies.

They cared a lot about pizza parlor pedophiles, and refused to believe it when it was proven to not even be possibly true. But when Matt gaetz is under federal investigation for sec trafficking, meh. They didn’t care about pedophilia, they cared that they thought it could be leveraged against democrats.

They cared a lot about Jeffrey Epstein when it was bill Clinton that was suspected (still is, “F” that guy) of being a client, but won’t even listen to the evidence around Donald Trump being a client. They don’t care about child sex trafficking, they just saw it as a tool.

They care a lot about nepotism when it is joe Biden’s son using his dads power to get a job over seas, but do not care one bit that Donald Trump's kids were given positioned of power within our government, used those positions to gain millions [BILLIONS FROM THE SAUDIS!] of dollars, we’re still also controlling Trump's businesses while in those positions, negotiated real estate deals in hostile nations while in those positions, were explicitly denied security clearance but Trump forced the denials to be overwritten, etc etc. they don’t give a crap about nepotism, they just thought they could use it against democrats.

They care a lot about religious freedom when it’s the Muslims in the Middle East who are threatening it, but don’t give a crap when protesting and threatening the construction of a mosque in Tennessee. They don’t care about religious freedom, they just want to see their own religion “win”

They cared a lot about the ethics of voting on Supreme Court nominees on the same year as a presidential election, but laughed in our faces when they pushed barter through within weeks of the polls. They don’t care about ethics, they saw the opportunity and took it on both sides.

They care a lot about “big government overreach” but are requiring women to take pregnancy tests before they leave right wing states to try to charge them in case they might need an abortion. They don’t care about big government overreach, they took the opportunity to get there first.

When I was in the military, I had an NCO that told me something I’ll never forget. I don’t agree with it, but he was a far right guy from backwoods Louisiana. He said “when you get into hand to hand combat, inside or outside of war, there is no such thing as honor. The only thing that matters is that you win. Lie, break oaths, “F” fairness. Trick him, and beat him.”

This is their attitude. They don’t care about following rules or being honorable. They care about “winning”, which doesn’t mean “prosperity” or anything like that. It means that their football team (gop) wins the game.

Great points.

There's a series of WWII training videos a person can find on YouTube that include one on hand-to-hand combat. It's full of incredibly dehumanizing language towards the Japanese enemy and makes exactly the same statement the person in your reddit post stated. I think that's the one thing perhaps deserving to be added - dehumanizing, othering the opposing political side to the point the MAGA crowd would side with Putin over Biden is a capstone achievement of this shift to a just win attitude. It's kind of crazy to believe we arrived at that point, and so quickly after the supposed end of the cold war.

[Chap]

When I was in the military, I had an NCO that told me something I’ll never forget. I don’t agree with it, but he was a far right guy from backwoods Louisiana. He said “when you get into hand to hand combat, inside or outside of war, there is no such thing as honor. The only thing that matters is that you win. Lie, break oaths, “F” fairness. Trick him, and beat him.”

There's a series of WWII training videos a person can find on YouTube that include one on hand-to-hand combat. It's full of incredibly dehumanizing language towards the Japanese enemy and makes exactly the same statement the person in your reddit post stated.

If in wartime a child of mine was to be an infantry soldier - whose main mission is to close with the enemy and kill them - then I want them to be trained to kill that enemy as quickly as possible, with minimum danger that the said enemy (whose mission is to kill their enemy, my child) will kill them first. What works best to that aim is the only consideration I care about under those circumstances.

Questions about whether the war should be taking place at all, or whether my child should be fighting in it, are important but separate issues.

[honorentheos]

When I was in the military, I had an NCO that told me something I’ll never forget. I don’t agree with it, but he was a far right guy from backwoods Louisiana. He said “when you get into hand to hand combat, inside or outside of war, there is no such thing as honor. The only thing that matters is that you win. Lie, break oaths, “F” fairness. Trick him, and beat him.”

There's a series of WWII training videos a person can find on YouTube that include one on hand-to-hand combat. It's full of incredibly dehumanizing language towards the Japanese enemy and makes exactly the same statement the person in your reddit post stated.

If in wartime a child of mine was to be an infantry soldier - whose main mission is to close with the enemy and kill them - then I want them to be trained to kill that enemy as quickly as possible, with minimum danger that the said enemy (whose mission is to kill their enemy, my child) will kill them first. What works best to that aim is the only consideration I care about under those circumstances.

Questions about whether the war should be taking place at all, or whether my child should be fighting in it, are important but separate issues.

Fair enough when it comes to combat. When politics is seen as combat, to be won at all costs? Different topic.

[Chap]

Fair enough when it comes to combat. When politics is seen as combat, to be won at all costs? Different topic.

Absolutely. It should be possible for citizens of a polity to at least agree as a starting assumption that they are co-citizens who may differ in their views as to what is best for that polity, but that they have shared vital interests and should be treated as trying to act and speak for the common good unless proved otherwise.

Single combat is a zero-sum game. If A wins, B loses and vice versa. Politics should not be like that, and if is is treated like that even the person who 'wins' has lost something.

[honorentheos]

Fair enough when it comes to combat. When politics is seen as combat, to be won at all costs? Different topic.

Absolutely. It should be possible for citizens of a polity to at least agree as a starting assumption that they are co-citizens who may differ in their views as to what is best for that polity, but that they have shared vital interests and should be treated as trying to act and speak for the common good unless proved otherwise.

Agreed. What concerns me is how many on both sides of the political aisle seem to no longer believe we do, in fact, share vital interests. The partisan wars are constantly beating the war drum and othering the opposing side in order to just win. Not to govern. Just to win.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Absolutely. It should be possible for citizens of a polity to at least agree as a starting assumption that they are co-citizens who may differ in their views as to what is best for that polity, but that they have shared vital interests and should be treated as trying to act and speak for the common good unless proved otherwise.

Agreed. What concerns me is how many on both sides of the political aisle seem to no longer believe we do, in fact, share vital interests. The partisan wars are constantly beating the war drum and othering the opposing side in order to just win. Not to govern. Just to win.

I think there are far more people who could be easily diagnosed as pathological liars suffering from Cluster B personality disorders than we’re prepared to admit exist. A good example on this board mucks around down in the Prison forum. I don’t say that flippantly, by the way. It was deeply saddening to me when this realization dawned on me. There’s nothing we can do about that other than to ensure the adults in the room are in charge, and hope these fantastically delusional people who need you to believe their fantasies stay far the “F” away from positions of responsibility.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[¥akaSteelhead]

The part where Trump's legal representation certified in June that he had no more NDI materials, is the part that is really going to bite him the ass.