Tulsi Gabbard leaves Democrat party

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I can see ways in which indigence is an advantage. Have you ever noticed that the most rude and agressive motorists with illegally tinted front windows are often times the same people who are driving intoxicated, without auto insurance, or perhaps even with a warrant out for his arrest. And the most courteous and nonconfrontational are often the workaholic evil rich people. The rich man knows that if he hurts someone he stands to lose millions in civil court whether it's his fault or not. He avoids crashes because he knows he'll have to pay for the wreck either with immediate cash or a higher insurance rate. He avoids getting pulled over for any reason lest the police find some excuse to confiscate his property. The thug sees a ticket as costing him a no more than a few minutes of time for the officer to write it but knows he'll never have to pay it. It costs the police department too much to haul him into jail. And they'd never tow his car for driving without insurance like they would someone who holds a legal full time job. He knows his legal fees are paid by the state. And he doesn't need to worry about lost wages because he doesn't hold a job, at least not a legal job on the books. And he's immune to civil damages for maiming and killing someone while driving wrecklessly. All that matters to the thug is getting where he's going right now. He's immune to taxes, alimony, and child support He knows he'll never get audited since he's a registered Democrat.
Even if there were some or even a lot of truth to the above screed, none of it invalidates the points just made by Dr. Steuss.

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ajax18 wrote:
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… while driving wrecklessly.

Begging your pardon, but isn’t it preferable that people drive wrecklessly?
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:15 am
ajax18 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:01 am
… while driving wrecklessly.

Begging your pardon, but isn’t it preferable that people drive wrecklessly?
He obviously meant "recklessly", which I am sure you realize. ;) One of the peculiarities of the English language -- two words pronounced exactly the same with seemingly almost diametrically opposed definitions.
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:15 am
ajax18 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:01 am
… while driving wrecklessly.

Begging your pardon, but isn’t it preferable that people drive wrecklessly?
Thank you for catching that error. I learned something. I thought the silent "w" came from Old English. Surprisingly "wreck" is actually derived from Old Norse. The word "Reckless" come from old English.
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:40 am
canpakes wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:15 am



Begging your pardon, but isn’t it preferable that people drive wrecklessly?
He obviously meant "recklessly", which I am sure you realize. ;) One of the peculiarities of the English language -- two words pronounced exactly the same with seemingly almost diametrically opposed definitions.
Well just as a side digression. Have you ever seen a pattern in who the most rude and lawless drivers are. Nine times out of ten they have the front window completely blacked out to hide their face. You can really see the true character of people on display when you're driving in the city.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
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I don't know. Maybe liberal leftist socialist Scott Walker can help answer it.
I'm sorry for the knee-jerk flippant response above.

The elimination of cash bail doesn't mean everyone gets to just automatically get released until trial. There are alternate forms of bail that can be established (such as partially secured bonds), and risk-based systems that can be used in conjunction. Ultimately, the most effective thing would be the the one thing that most people (in particular, Republicans) don't want. Increased funding, and government expansion for the judicial/prosecution/defense side of the justice system.

To use a line from a Vera report, there are ways of "reducing the use of pretrial detention without compromising public safety or rates of court appearance" outside of the one-size-fits-all cash bail system.

(PDF Warning: Vera Report on Some NY Cases That Used Alternatives)

I hope you'll indulge me in a thought experiment. Imagine you're arrested for a minor offense. If it helps, imagine you are innocent of the crime, and your innocence will eventually be established. Bail is set at $3,000. Here's the rub. You don't have $3,000.

Now, there are two ways this could go from here. You might have some collateral you could put up with a bail bonds joint. In this case, you'd have to pay interest, as well as fees. Now, because you don't have $3,000 to pay as bail (which you would have gotten back, if you had been able to pay it), you now had to pay money, that you'll never get back, in order to get out of jail for a crime you didn't commit.

The other way it could go, is you don't have collateral. You now have to wait in jail until the loooong process of you having a trial -- or you can plead guilty to the crime you didn't commit. If you stay in jail, you now lose your employment, and everything that you are paying bills on (like your living space). You'll likely lose just about all physical possessions, unless you have family/friends that will retrieve and store them for you. Once you're released, upon being found innocent, you are now jobless and homeless.

In this situation, do you think our one-size-fits-all cash bail system is the right thing? You've either lost everything, or you've had to pay money that you'll never get back, even after you're shown to be innocent.

I know it's likely difficult to put yourself in this situation. After all, we're generally conditioned to think that only guilty people go to jail. It's also hard, if you've never been in the position, to imagine working 60+ hours a week, and living paycheck to paycheck, with no viable collateral. But, this is what the cash bail system does. If you're going to be all-in, then you have to be perfectly fine with innocent people being irreparably punished simply for being poor. For me, and a lot of people, that's a hard pill to swallow. It's easy to hide behind the specter of extreme cases where the cash bail system failed, for being too low. It's much more difficult to face the realty of people being punished for the crime of not having excess money.
Well cash bail and the bailbondsmen system definitely have their problems. But it's hard for me to accept that idea that we need to jack up the income taxes that the government confiscates from workers paychecks in order to make sure career criminals like Darrell Brooks can minimize their time being locked up. What if it were Kyle Rittenhouse? He was innocent but you saw no problem locking him up without a shower for months.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:06 pm
Well cash bail and the bailbondsmen system definitely have their problems. But it's hard for me to accept that idea that we need to jack up the income taxes that the government confiscates from workers paychecks in order to make sure career criminals like Darrell Brooks can minimize their time being locked up. What if it were Kyle Rittenhouse? He was innocent but you saw no problem locking him up without a shower for months.
It was an overworked, overextended ADA that was responsible for Darrell Brooks. It was an overworked, and overextended support staff unable to keep up with entering risk reports. It was an overworked, and overextended DA that has to play the game of whack-a-mole.

In the case of Brooks, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely would have had a bond set that was in line with the risk he posed to the public. In the Rittenhouse case, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely wouldn't have lived in 3rd world conditions, awaiting the slow wheels of justice.

If people want to pretend they care about law and order, then they might have to come to terms with there being an actual price beyond memes and hashtags on making that happen.
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In the case of Brooks, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely would have had a bond set that was in line with the risk he posed to the public. In the Rittenhouse case, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely wouldn't have lived in 3rd world conditions, awaiting the slow wheels of justice.

If people want to pretend they care about law and order, then they might have to come to terms with there being an actual price beyond memes and hashtags on making that happen.
Rittenhouse was public enemy #1 of the left. He'd have been in third world conditions regardless of funding. Darrell Brooks was Democrat consitituent, son of Obama. He'd have been let out regardless of how much taxpayer money was dumped into the system.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:34 pm
In the case of Brooks, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely would have had a bond set that was in line with the risk he posed to the public. In the Rittenhouse case, if the system was properly funded (*gasp*), he likely wouldn't have lived in 3rd world conditions, awaiting the slow wheels of justice.

If people want to pretend they care about law and order, then they might have to come to terms with there being an actual price beyond memes and hashtags on making that happen.
Rittenhouse was public enemy #1 of the left. He'd have been in third world conditions regardless of funding. Darrell Brooks was Democrat consitituent, son of Obama. He'd have been let out regardless of how much taxpayer money was dumped into the system.
Brooks is Obama's son?

The DA looks at voter registration cards when establishing bond?

Did the Republican appointed, Republican backed, Republican judge who granted the low bail also look to see that Brooks was a Democrat?

My, this gets more and more fascinating.

What role did the Republican county sheriff play in making sure public enemy #1 of the left was treated the way other inmates were treated? But, like, somehow way worse.

So many layers to the nefarious leftist plots, and so many Republicans in cahoots.


ETA: Looks like amongst his many mentally unhinged Twitter rants (for those who may be confused, I'm talking about Brooks), he linked to an Obama speech (it appears to be the only time he directly mentioned Obama... which is weird, since he's his son, or something, according to Ajax), and called Obama's speech a "crock of bullsh**. That's got to be awkward at family dinners, and at Democrat Son of Obama baby-eating rituals.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
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"crock of bullsh**.
Check that link, Dr. Steuss; it might be malware.

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