Two paths

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Your comment does make me wonder how you’ve become so cynical, anyway.

I think Ajax18 made crystal clear from whence his cynicism springs:

Relationships suck. I'm grateful to have my kids but honestly if I didn't believe in eternity or the gospel as most of you don't I'd steer clear of women. I wouldn't even recommend whoremongering. It's not worth it. Enjoy your freedom and your time to pursue your hobbies and passions. When you get in a relationship your life is not your own anymore. And with the advent of no fault divorce marriage is no more of a committment than cohabitation. Count your blessings. Relationships with even the prettiest women (on the surface) are often miserable as evidenced by the fact that 70% if them don't last.

Your idea of finding a latter day saint woman to marry is opening you up to a real shitstorm and would be a terrible mistake as a nonbeliever. I can tell you right now that you have a much better chance of finding an attractive women outside the LDS church than within it. That anyone who doesn't believe in the LDS church would look to find a mate who is an active believing TBM is just downright crazy. You're not going to find that and if you do, you're going to wish you didn't.

This is the man who calls us nitwits when it comes to relationships. If I were DT I’d look at ^ and steer clear of Ajax18’s relationship advice.

- Doc

[honorentheos]

When you get in a relationship your life is not your own anymore.

Chew on that for a bit. Extrapolate it out into your view of society and your professed political positions.

Yeah.

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[Gadianton]

As a white man who has lived in Latin America and at BYU, most of us know very well the difference in our market value in these two dating scenes

That may be true, but you continue down an unsustainable path. The hottest chicks at BYU didn't want you; fine, you go to Latin America because your chances are better and come back with what you want. Well, you just took one beauty out of the pool from Latin America who ten or twenty Latin American dudes had their eyes on. You guys are coming at this from two different views that are in conflict: a) how come I can't get a hot wife b) how can society be sustainable the way women value men.

For (b) it's game over under your assumptions out of the gate, because there aren't enough women at the top of the beauty list to go around for every sniveling dude who is only attracted to woman substantially more attractive than he is.

Where you're going with this is society needs to change back to Nick Fuentes traditionalism. Newsflash, that would be even worse for you. If only women were forced to stay married, or forced to please their husbands by authority of the scriptures, then your problems would be solved. Not so, because neither of you come from money or power, it only benefits the Chads of the 1800s who then can lock their picks in, with having the ability to switch up later if so desired. And even then, plenty of women still didn't play ball the way you imagine. With marriage as a revolving door and society more open, your chances are higher than ever.

There are homely dudes without money that get attractive women at BYU. There are also Chads who don't go for looks. The secret for anybody, Chad or not, is you've got to be motivated in life by something other than sex. If you can't be such a person, then Tom Leykis says no. Leykis 101 says that DT is talking suicide when entertaining marrying a single Latino girl with a kid just for the sex. Good lord. Leykis 101 says that you can only get married if there's all this other kind of non-physical connection to the person and you go into it with possibility that you may get very little or no sex. It can't be about sex pretty much at all. His point would be that most guys just want sex and are lying to themselves if they say they don't, so better not to get married. (Whether he's right or wrong isn't my concern, DT just needs to understand the reductionist view properly.)

True story (of many I can tell): A sorta friend of mine who was popular found a pretty girl and they got married; hugely attended. Months later, she was diagnosed with cancer, and decades of chemo and whatever else and yes, they have a family, but the chemo took its toll very quickly on her looks and I'm sure the marriage hasn't been nonstop sex, in addition to the huge amounts of stress. Kids are adults and they are together. Is that a life DT is willing to risk with marriage to a pretty girl?

[doubtingthomas]

I would enjoy dating an attractive (or an average-looking) woman with more academic accomplishments than me, but I probably have better odds of winning the lottery.

The question is, however, whether she would enjoy it too.

Probably not. It would be a waste of time to message educated women on dating apps.
As I said earlier, it's easier to attract an LDS woman or a Mexican girl in her early 20s.

Nope. I think he is on the right lines. You just don't understand how your posts look to most people, I suspect.

I doubt the average person would find my comments offensive.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Gad, you speak with logos and hundreds of words, both of which are lost on DT and A18. I don’t know what the solution for that is.

I think the missing thing out of all of this is:

Neither one of those braniacs have considered they’re the problem, can’t tell anyone what they bring to the table for their dream girls, and seem determined to do nothing about their current lives except more finger pointing and moaning. I suppose DT could hang out at the nearest ice cream shop and hit on the high schoolers that work there. A18 is just in a run-the-clock-out life so I got nuthin’ for him.



- Doc

[doubtingthomas]

Are there any educated Mexican women?

Yes, when I say educated women, I mean educated women of all races.

[doubtingthomas]

As a white man who has lived in Latin America and at BYU, most of us know very well the difference in our market value in these two dating scenes.

Exactly!

Doubting Thomas I think you're starting to see how liberal political correctness makes it impossible to have an honest conversation about things as they really are.

True, but I still think liberals are better than conservatives.

[doubtingthomas]

That may be true, but you continue down an unsustainable path. The hottest chicks at BYU didn't want you; fine, you go to Latin America because your chances are better and come back with what you want. Well, you just took one beauty out of the pool from Latin America who ten or twenty Latin American dudes had their eyes on. You guys are coming at this from two different views that are in conflict: a) how come I can't get a hot wife b) how can society be sustainable the way women value men.

For (b) it's game over under your assumptions out of the gate, because there aren't enough women at the top of the beauty list to go around for every sniveling dude who is only attracted to woman substantially more attractive than he is.

I am not looking for a woman who is substantially more attractive than me. Would you agree the average-looking educated woman has high dating standards and is unlikely to date a man who has less academic achievements than her?

[Marcus]

…Neither one of those braniacs have considered they’re the problem…

Exactly.
Here’s DT’s most common sexist whine:

As I said earlier, it's easier to attract an LDS woman or a Mexican girl in her 20s.

But he can’t quite seem to accomplish what he defines as this “easier” task, can he?
That’s the disconnect between his sexist attitudes and his expectations.

He can’t seem to learn that women aren’t things to be acquired.

[doubtingthomas]

He can’t seem to learn that women aren’t things to be acquired.

That makes no sense. I don't plan to buy a woman at the store.

Should I spend time messaging educated women on dating apps? Why should I message women who are very likely to reject me?

Honestly, you are the one who doesn't get it and you have the gift of distorting the things I say. Why do you always leave out some of the important things I say when you quote me?