Good questions, I would be interested in these answers as well, given the way the op was structured.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:42 pmKevin,
I know you’re catching a little flack right now, but I’m curious enough about your lived experience to inquiry as follows:
1) How much of your life have you lived outside of the Utah bubble? My apologies if you’ve talked about this before and I missed it.
2) Historically, how would you describe your access to a variety of people from different, non-LDS, backgrounds? Like, in your personal and professional lives, what would be the percentage, more or less, of non-LDS people in your life where you got to know and spend time with them on a fairly deep level (enough to know of their views, hopes n’ dreams, perspectives, etc)?
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Really? Could you explain more about this reasoning? Specifically, what is your reasoning to support that “gay parents [don’t] have any ideological differences with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” but that “atheist parents [do] have ideological differences with that church” ?KevinSim wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:40 pmYes. I'm kind of leaning towards hopelessly stupid.Not at all. There's no good reason to think gay parents have any ideological differences with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is, on the other hand, some reason to expect that atheist parents have ideological differences with that church.Morley wrote:And if that's the case, wouldn't it be just as bad if you asked a similar question about atheists?
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I was born in Seattle, Washington, in 1959. I was a Latter-day Saint missionary in Chile for 14 months from 1979 to 1980; other than that I lived in Seattle from my birth until 1995. I lived in the Dallas Texas Metroplex from 1995 to 2004. I've lived in Utah since 2004. So I've been in that bubble for a little over 18 years, two years in Spanish Fork and sixteen years in Springville. But you could also say the first 23 years of my life, the time I spent living in my parents' house, was a little bit of a bubble itself; my mother made it into one.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:42 pm1) How much of your life have you lived outside of the Utah bubble? My apologies if you’ve talked about this before and I missed it.
I've had a lot of access to non-LDS people, university professors, fellow students, co-workers, but not on the level of finding out their hopes and dreams. I'm high functioning autistic, so I've always had trouble getting to know people at that level.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:2) Historically, how would you describe your access to a variety of people from different, non-LDS, backgrounds? HiLike, in your personal and professional lives, what would be the percentage, more or less, of non-LDS people in your life where you got to know and spend time with them on a fairly deep level (enough to know of their views, hopes n’ dreams, perspectives, etc)?
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Ah. Thanks for answering my questions - although on question #2 I kind of wonder if you’ve been culturally cloistered away, so to speak. Whatever the case may be, growing up in the Seattle area and then living in the Dallas metroplex should’ve provided a fairly cosmopolitan experience.
On a side note, I grew up in Spokane and loved going to Seattle with family and then friends - I was into the 90’s grunge scene and saw PJ, Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden at the Moore and one other venue that I forget the name.
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That depends on what you mean by ‘destructive’. Have you ever given some kind of gadget and a few tools to a child so that they could pull it apart and see what makes it work?
But, I know what you’re getting at with ‘destructive’. : D
More to the point from my previous question, ‘productive’ implies a particular outcome, maybe with respect to a particular subject or belief. Simple play is ‘productive’ in how it builds social skills, cooperative behaviors and problem solving ability. That’s why I was curious if you had something more specific in mind with use of that word.
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Paramount?Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:07 pmAh. Thanks for answering my questions - although on question #2 I kind of wonder if you’ve been culturally cloistered away, so to speak. Whatever the case may be, growing up in the Seattle area and then living in the Dallas metroplex should’ve provided a fairly cosmopolitan experience.
On a side note, I grew up in Spokane and loved going to Seattle with family and then friends - I was into the 90’s grunge scene and saw PJ, Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden at the Moore and one other venue that I forget the name.
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Is that in the Capitol Hill neighborhood? It was a crappy little place, very intimate, very cool. And I of course felt guilty as a RM for going. I also felt cool. What a weird state of mind to be in as Mormon. I also saw them earlier that year in Spokane at a really cool theater called The Met. ‘93 was a pretty good year for music - I was a year and change having come back from my mission, so it was a time of a lot of personal growth (perhaps my nostalgia is more based in that time of life rather than pop culture being meaningful).Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:12 pmParamount?Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:07 pmAh. Thanks for answering my questions - although on question #2 I kind of wonder if you’ve been culturally cloistered away, so to speak. Whatever the case may be, growing up in the Seattle area and then living in the Dallas metroplex should’ve provided a fairly cosmopolitan experience.
On a side note, I grew up in Spokane and loved going to Seattle with family and then friends - I was into the 90’s grunge scene and saw PJ, Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden at the Moore and one other venue that I forget the name.
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Hmm, not the Paramount. There were a few smaller venues like that in the’90s. Only one I can recall is the Crocodile café. Capitol Hill is still fun to hang out, with lots of live music and cool bars. Not a normal venue for RMs. Man, I sure don’t miss that guilt.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:02 amIs that in the Capitol Hill neighborhood? It was a crappy little place, very intimate, very cool. And I of course felt guilty as a RM for going. I also felt cool. What a weird state of mind to be in as Mormon. I also saw them earlier that year in Spokane at a really cool theater called The Met. ‘93 was a pretty good year for music - I was a year and change having come back from my mission, so it was a time of a lot of personal growth (perhaps my nostalgia is more based in that time of life rather than pop culture being meaningful).
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Morley, there was nothing explicitly offensive in my OP. In order to find something offensive, a handful of posters had to read between the lines. If they can call my post offensive for things it didn't explicitly say, why can't I defend it with things I didn't explicitly say, but were true nonetheless? What is disingenuous about failing to spell out at the start every tiny reason behind every single statement I made in the OP?
I've got to ask too, why are you trying to pick a fight with me? My OP was an expression of curiosity, nothing less, a simple question about how a group of people fill an important need. The majority of posters gave me answers that satisfied my curiosity. Morley, why do you have to make my OP out to be something far worse than it actually was?
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Athiest parents by definition don't believe there exists a deity. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does believe there exists a deity. That looks to me like a pretty significant ideological difference. Marcus, are you of the opinion that that doesn't amount to an ideological difference between atheists and the LDS Church?Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:56 pmReally? Could you explain more about this reasoning? Specifically, what is your reasoning to support that “gay parents [don’t] have any ideological differences with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” but that “atheist parents [do] have ideological differences with that church” ?