“Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:39 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:29 am
That I was quick on the trigger. That I improperly applied UR 7. That my motive is to protect someone someone who has posted heinous crap.

by the way, what you said here:

Is the exact reason why we have UR 7. The rule exists to prevent people from being harmed in real life by what they say here. Everyone here gets their anonymity protected — not just you and people you approve of.
So, I didn’t “create a false narrative”, but I surmised your actions correctly. What’s your deal with needing to quibble? You were wrong ref the Peterson timeline and who said what, and now you’re wrong with this issue, too. Stop being a baby, and just own it. Jesus.

- Doc
No, you didn’t correctly surmise my actions. You just jumped to conclusions about my actions without ever taking me up on my offer to discuss what I did and why. And you still haven’t. You’re not the first person who would rather raise a public fuss than find out why a moderator did something and you won’t be the last.

As far as I’m concerned, if you aren’t willing to back up your claims about what I’ve posted, you’re flat out trolling and I’m not playing.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:26 am
For what it’s worth:

—I don’t think that DCP is guilty of “perpetuating” the idea that “Neville-Neville Land” was run by a Black apologist...
You're kidding. He absolutely perpetuated the idea. The evidence has been posted here multiple times.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:34 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:39 am


So, I didn’t “create a false narrative”, but I surmised your actions correctly. What’s your deal with needing to quibble? You were wrong ref the Peterson timeline and who said what, and now you’re wrong with this issue, too. Stop being a baby, and just own it. Jesus.

- Doc
No, you didn’t correctly surmise my actions. You just jumped to conclusions about my actions without ever taking me up on my offer to discuss what I did and why. And you still haven’t. You’re not the first person who would rather raise a public fuss than find out why a moderator did something and you won’t be the last.

As far as I’m concerned, if you aren’t willing to back up your claims about what I’ve posted, you’re flat out trolling and I’m not playing.
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:34 am
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:26 am
For what it’s worth:

—I don’t think that DCP is guilty of “perpetuating” the idea that “Neville-Neville Land” was run by a Black apologist...
You're kidding. He absolutely perpetuated the idea. The evidence has been posted here multiple times.

Is it the thing Res and DocCam keep squabbling over?

I have to admit I’m having trouble keeping up with where this thread went.
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It should be noted that on Feb. 6th, 2019, Mike posted his first entry on his Neville-Neville Land blog with this:
Come on, everybody! Here we go!

By Peter | Tags: Administrative notices

When there’s a smile in your heart
There’s no better time to start
Think of all the joy you’ll find
When you leave the world behind
And bid your cares goodbye!

(words by Sammy Cahn)
To me, the title is telling. If Mike were some rando shouting into the wilderness on a blog nobody would ever read, it’d seem strange. Yet, it appears to me he’s talking to a group of people who know what to expect. “C’mon, gang! I set this blog up. Let’s get started!” But if you scroll through his blog, post after post, what jumps out is the sheer lack of interest in his material. Comment section after comment section garner exactly zero replies. Some, here and there, get a solitary reply. Even fewer get 2 or 3 comments, sometimes PP is simply replying to an inane comment. But the overall tenor and, really, intent of his blog is to poison the well with this kind of rhetoric:
One cannot, however, ascribe to the Heartland hoax that Jonathan Neville and Rod Meldrum are peddling and avoid that label. Their brand of belief is exclusivist, fundamentalist, closed-minded, nationalistic, jingoistic, and deeply lacking in responsible scholarship and science. (See the previous posts on this blog for dozens of examples of this.)
And there it is. “See the previous posts on this blog for dozens of examples of this.”

And for a blog that gets so little readership, it seems to me to exist solely to destroy Meldrum’s, Nelson’s, and Neville’s reputations. It exists to provide content so other, more well-known Mormon apologists, can point to it as a sort of ‘anti Heartlander’ source. Who cares enough about the Heartlander movement to want to take it down? Take this slide from the Q15 for example:

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The Church has a far-Right (and Left) problem on its hands. Why is this particular blog shilled so hard by DCP and Smoot? Why is a fellow FAIR and Interpreter contributor, who also teaches ‘adult education classes’ in southern Utah, so prolific with regard to to exposing the “Heartland hoax?”

Could it be an obsessive pet hobby? Maybe. Could the apologists have gotten together to work an ‘anti-far-Right strategy’ online? Maybe. What’s the point of identifying far-Right’ism as an existential threat, as seen above, and then doing nothing?

Anyway, the blog comes across as a little too polished, too consistent, and shilled too hard by the apologists to be the work of just one motivated guy in southern Utah. It comes across to me as a collaboration. But then again, maybe it’s Mike Parker pounding out post after post that hardly anyone reads, toiling away with a deep antipathy toward a theory that runs contrary to his own. Weird. But not unheard of, after all there are a lot of Mormon history scholars putting in a lot of time for a very niche topic. *shrugs*

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It's a matter of perspective. Sometimes, lack of skepticism in the extreme is a way a perpetrating something.
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I've dipped into this thread a couple of times, just to rubber-neck, I guess. I really don't know a lot about the Heartlanders, or Neville, or NNL/Peter Pan, etc.

A few minutes ago I googled "Mike Parker Utah", and followed the links to his FAIR blog posts.

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blog/author/mparker

A couple of things struck me, one perhaps relevant to the thread, and the other not so. So, naturally, I'm going to mention the one that is not:

On August 3, 2013, about the 2013 FAIR Conference, in addition to a dig at Blair Hodges:
Mike Parker wrote:Daniel C. Peterson announced the upcoming roll-out of The World Table, a new social platform that will allow individuals of different faiths to interact with mutual respect.
[my bolding]

That one made me roll my eyes, just a tiny bit.

Edited to add the FAIR link
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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:37 pm

Background:

viewtopic.php?p=2826394#p2826394

DCP and Smoot are playing naïve here with regard to Peter Pan’s identity:
Stephen Smoot
7 months ago
P.S., my understanding from listening to Robert Boylan's interview with Spencer Kraus is that "Peter Pan" is some fellow down in Alabama named Richard Nygren. But whoever this Mr. Nygren may be I cannot say. I have never met him, nor have I ever corresponded with him online.

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Stephen Smoot: "P.S., my understanding from listening to Robert Boylan's interview with Spencer Kraus is that "Peter Pan" is some fellow down in Alabama named Richard Nygren. But whoever this Mr. Nygren may be I cannot say. I have never met him, nor have I ever corresponded with him online."

I've never so much as heard of him. I briefly looked for him online, but found nothing. I'd like to think that he exists, though.

My bet is that he's one of my multiple personalities, just as you are.
But as DCP himself already admitted, he knew Peter Pan’s identity ~a year and half ago at the time of that post. He could’ve just set the record straight with, “Peter Pan isn’t someone named Richard Nygren. I know who it is, and it isn’t him.”

eta: The real burning question is, who fed Boylan the information that Peter Pan is a black LDS man living in Birmingham, AL? The secondary question is why didn’t DCP set the record straight when he had a chance, instead he let the falsehood marinate.

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what is still unclear is why a Mormon apologist was masquerading as 'a black LDS man living in Birmingham, AL', and why Peterson played along.
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on the other hand, that's pretty damning. Indeed, the record could have been set straight.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:16 am
on the other hand, that's pretty damning. Indeed, the record could have been set straight.
Given the evidence we have, why would Peterson believe there was any “record” that needed to be set straight beyond what he actually said? There was a “record” established at this site that Peter Pan was Smoot. Scratch provided an extensive analysis supporting that conclusion. It wasn’ta matter of a couple of mentions. It was a BFD here.

So far, no one has presented anything remotely resembling the record of accusations here that Smoot was Peter Pan. So far, I’ve seen the claim that Nygren was Peter Pan exactly twice: one in a You tube video and a single comment by Smoot. Has anyone found anything comparable to the frenzy here about Smoot happening in respect to Nygren being Peter Pan? Did Peter Pan ever claim to be Nygren? Was there any sort of extended discussion in apologist world about Nygren?

Peterson told his blog audience that he knew the identity of Peter Pan and that was someone he knew before. In the comments to that blog entry, he reacts to Smoot’s mention of Nygren by saying that he’d never heard of him. Given what he’d just said about Peter Pan, why would he think there was any need to clarify a record? Why would he think his audience was ignorant of basic logic:

1. Peter Pan is a person Peterson knew before he learned of Peter Pan’s identity;
2. Richard Nygren is not a person Peterson knew before he learned of Peter Pan’s identity;
3. Therefore, Richard Nygren is not Peter Pan.

It’s not rocket science.

The only way this could be construed as damning is if we assume that Peterson, Smoot, et al are all scumbags and we can just willy nilly assign evil motives to them. But that’s plain old bias, not reasoning from evidence.
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