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[Marcus]

Should we teach children how to be resilient in the face of rejection. Absolutely.

I agree,but the reality is that a lot of kids and young men who are lonely and have no friends are listening to the Red Pill...

It is no one's fault but their own if a person chooses to believe in misogynistic thought.

[Res Ipsa]

It’s not my job (or Marcus’s) to define your terms for you. You are the one one who used the words “rejected by society” and “give the lonely guy some friends.” If you don’t understand what you mean by those terms, maybe you should use other terms.

There's a growing number of young men who don't have any friends and don't have a girlfriend. We should all be very concerned about the fact that the Tates and others are gaining a lot of popularity.

What do you mean by "very concerned" and why should I be that about "the Tates?" Since you framed the issue as stranger violence, how much has your marginal risk of being assaulted by a stranger increased as a result of the reported increase of men who report having no friends?

[Res Ipsa]

Will any of that prevent kids from being mean to each other? Probably not. Can we guarantee that no one will ever suffer social rejection? Nope.

I agree, but we shouldn't deny that there's a correlation between social exclusion and violence (and misogyny). I understand it's not possible to prevent everyone from being socially excluded, but how can we find the best solution if we don't acknowledge the problem?

As Vaush pointed out, the Left doesn't care about young men. The Right at least pretends to care. Even if social exclusion isn't causing misogyny, the fact is that many lonely men are listening to the Right and the Red Pill.

First of all, you should know by now that finding a correlation doesn't mean anything other than we need to investigate further to understand whether one causes the other, which way the causation runs, and whether both aren't the results of a common cause.

Second, how strong is the correlation between having no friends and violence? Most importantly, for every 1 percentage point increase in "socially excluded" people, what is the resulting increase in violence?

If the goal is reduction of violence, how does this correlation you describe compare to other risk factors for violence?

And that's just to diagnose the problem and figure out the causation. The issue of the most effective way to reduce violence is a whole different analysis.

ETA: Why the hell should I care about what Vaush says? And who is this left that doesn't care about young men? Do you have any data on that?

But you're dancing all over about what the problem actually is that you're trying to address. Is it violence? Is it "caring." Is it which youtube celebrities are the current faves. Can you state, precisely, what is the problem that you claim society needs to take some kind of steps to solve?

[doubtingthomas]

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

This quotation you use from the article is found at the bottom of the first page, where the authors spread some theories on the table before laying out their experiments. It's nowhere in findings or conclusion. Literature review, postulation, and theorizing about cause are not the same things as presenting findings.

But there is a correlation, which is what I said in the Opening Post.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here you go buddy,

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

You keep linking the abstract, and not the posting the study. The study isn’t feely available - it costs $18. You said you read the study, and so for the fourth time I’m requesting you copy and paste the study here so we can read it. You said you read it, so you should be able to copy and paste the study here. Easily.

Or, you can just admit you lied and didn’t read the study. <- Have you considered your penchant for lying and deflection is a character defect you need to fix?

-Doc

[doubtingthomas]

What do you mean by "very concerned" and why should I be that about "the Tates?" Since you framed the issue as stranger violence, how much has your marginal risk of being assaulted by a stranger increased as a result of the reported increase of men who report having no friends?

Excluded men:
1. Are more likely to watch Red Pill content, which promotes hatred towards women.
2. More likely to be violent.
3. A tiny minority is more likely to commit a senseless act of violence.
4. "Loneliness can lead to various psychiatric disorders "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4225959/

Can you please remove name username from this ridiculous trash can (created to hide my opinions and comments)? I've made it very clear several times that the loneliness issue isn't about me. I don't even consider myself to be a young man anymore.

[Res Ipsa]

What do you mean by "very concerned" and why should I be that about "the Tates?" Since you framed the issue as stranger violence, how much has your marginal risk of being assaulted by a stranger increased as a result of the reported increase of men who report having no friends?

Excluded men:
1. Are more likely to watch Red Pill content, which promotes hatred towards women.
2. More likely to be violent.
3. A tiny minority is more likely to commit a senseless act of violence.
4. "Loneliness can lead to various psychiatric disorders "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4225959/

Can you please remove name username from this ridiculous trash can (created to hide my opinions and comments)? I've made it very clear several times that the loneliness issue isn't about me. I don't even consider myself to be a young man anymore.

Nonresponsive.

I don’t understand what you’re asking me to do.

[doubtingthomas]

Here you go buddy,

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

You keep linking the abstract, and not the posting the study. The study isn’t feely available - it costs $18. You said you read the study, and so for the fourth time I’m requesting you copy and paste the study here so we can read it. You said you read it, so you should be able to copy and paste the study here. Easily.

What I quoted above is not in the abstract. I am not going to copy and paste the whole study here. Why do you want to read it? You don't believe that there's is a correlation between social exclusion and aggression?

[doubtingthomas]

Nonresponsive.

I don’t understand what you’re asking me to do.

We should be concerned about all violence. I am afraid of stranger violence. Women should be concerned about the fact that an increasing number of young men are watching Tate and the Red Pill.

Please remove doubtingthomas from the title, this trash can isn't about me.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

You keep linking the abstract, and not the posting the study. The study isn’t feely available - it costs $18. You said you read the study, and so for the fourth time I’m requesting you copy and paste the study here so we can read it. You said you read it, so you should be able to copy and paste the study here. Easily.

What I quoted above is not in the abstract. I am not going to copy and paste the whole study here. Why do you want to read it? You don't believe that there's is a correlation between social exclusion and aggression?

You posted a link to a study. There was no access to the study without paying $18. You said you read the study. How many pages are there in the study you linked?

- Doc