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Re: Reviving the Board

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Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:15 am
Yes it's not even debating either. It's just low-intelligence trolls emoting their anger at the world on this forum. They have nothing interesting to say. They're too stupid to debate. They're too ignorant to research to support their own beliefs. All they have is impotent rage at society and the vast majority of this site's posters because we don't share their superstitions.
I have been reading this a lot on this board (or very similar suggestions about certain people who claim they are critical thinkers, intelligent, etc).

Who are these people that are "too stupid to debate" - "low intelligence people" - "people emoting their anger" - "people who have nothing interesting to say" -" people with impotent rage" - "people with superstitions?"

Can you give me a list of these people that you're talking about?
Save everyone's time, Shades, and ban the trolls.
Knowing shades, I am fairly certain that he isn't going to ban people for the offenses you suggest. Thankfully.
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Re: Reviving the Board

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Cube 7 wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:27 pm
Fernando wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:13 pm
I read a post last week about how board activity has been declining recently, and during the past few days, I have definitely noticed a decline in involvement. What makes it seem like that? Is it because people are growing weary of the ongoing hostility toward Mormons? Another possibility is that the board has become so far to the left over the past year, nearly to the point of developing cult-like inclinations.

Another thing to think about is whether the moderators should be replaced by a team that is more just and equitable but might not be as progressive. There must be a reason why people keep signing up for the board, yet none of them ever post more than once or twice.

This board will become just as pitiful as the New Order Mormon board if nothing is done soon, with only a half dozen ardent adherents commenting about how absurd Mormonism is. The fact that the founder and moderators are naïve about how they have essentially allowed the board to become into a Mormon-bashing hell hole makes me think it's a shame that this board is beginning to collapse. Any ideas as to how the board might be revived? Is it destined to be completely destroyed due to its strong tendency to despise Mormonism via a progressive lens of cultiness?
I can't post as much as I want to because the board is becoming too political.
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Re: Reviving the Board

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The time I've spent as a moderator has given me lots of opportunity and motive to think about how the rules themselves and the way we apply them could be changed to give people who stumble onto this forum more incentive to stop in and share their thoughts, ideas, and experiences. If I were granted one wish to change one thing, it wouldn't be to a rule as written, but to an unwritten exception to Universal Rule 4, which reads:
Do not "derail" threads or otherwise insert commentary that has nothing to do with a thread's opening post.
The unwritten exception is that posts that address a member's motive for posting are not considered derails. It's nothing new. I think it's existed since before I started actively posting here. But, in my opinion, it both permits and encourages interpersonal conflict that has nothing to do with the subject of most threads.

If you look, you can finds hundreds, if not thousands of examples. The effect is to change whatever the topic of thread happens to be into a dispute over the motives of someone who said something in the thread. It's common for the result to be the loss of the substantive conversation in the mess of purely interpersonal conflict.

In reality, unless we've all become telepathic, we aren't as good as we want to think we are at discerning people's motives from what they post here. Especially when it comes to a specific post. In most cases, all we are really doing is trying to change the subject when we can't or don't want to respond to the substance of post.

If one's goal is disruptive trolling, then the tactic can be used in an entirely malicious manner. One of the most effecting trolling tactics is to simply make up something as an accusation against another participant in the online forum. The intent is to force participants of the forum away from whatever they are interested in discussing into perpetually defending themselves from 100% accusations. And the troller doesn't care about the truth of their claims -- the point is to attack and disrupt.

If the exception were eliminated, people would still be free to discuss each other's motives for posting. But they would have to do so in a separate thread. Perhaps we could call it a "meta thread." Those interested in discussing the substance of the thread's topic would be free to do so without the disruption of trolling or interpersonal conflict. Those who want to discuss the motivations of other posters have a place to do so without the intrusion of substance into their discussion.
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Re: Reviving the Board

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Very cool idea, RI!
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:33 pm
Very cool idea, RI!
i agree. And it really wouldn't take a rule change, because the way the rule is written, it is already included. just a reminder of what constitutes a 'derail' going forward. Maybe just an auto-generated reminder would be sufficient, kind of like how Reddit does it, for various flairs. Or after a request from the op, maybe.

going off the suggestion to call the thread 'meta', something like :

Please limit your comments in this thread, "XYZ," to the topic as laid out in the OP. For all other discussions, please use (or start) the thread, "Meta-discussion of 'XYZ' "

not everyone may want this for every topic, so maybe offer the OP the right to insert the language, to signal their intent.

It would probably cause some work at first, but people would get used to it. (Step 1, of course, would be to ask the god of MD his opinion on the matter. :twisted: )
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Excellent points, Prof. Marcus!
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:54 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:33 pm
Very cool idea, RI!
i agree. And it really wouldn't take a rule change, because the way the rule is written, it is already included. just a reminder of what constitutes a 'derail' going forward. Maybe just an auto-generated reminder would be sufficient, kind of like how Reddit does it, for various flairs. Or after a request from the op, maybe.

going off the suggestion to call the thread 'meta', something like :

Please limit your comments in this thread, "XYZ," to the topic as laid out in the OP. For all other discussions, please use (or start) the thread, "Meta-discussion of 'XYZ' "

not everyone may want this for every topic, so maybe offer the OP the right to insert the language, to signal their intent.

It would probably cause some work at first, but people would get used to it. (Step 1, of course, would be to ask the god of MD his opinion on the matter. :twisted: )
Good points. On my end, increased work is fine if it works as intended. Of course, the law of unintended consequences we always be lurking in the shadows. If it doesn’t work, it would be easy to revert.
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It seems like the board has been revived. It’s a Christmas miracle!
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:14 pm
It seems like the board has been revived. It’s a Christmas miracle!
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Cube 7 wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:25 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:14 am


Question. What is the difference between trolling and stridently confronting someone on their inconsistencies, bigotry, biases, or conduct? I used to do the latter quite frequently and while I was called many things, troll wasn't one of them.

Curious how you distinguish between the two...
I have to state that, in my opinion, Atlanticmike was and still is the smartest posters that has ever contributed to the board in any capacity. The guy made public his plans for posting on the forum, and within a year, all of the things he said would occur came to pass exactly as he had described them. And now that board participation is at a record low, it seems that his goal of exposing the blatant progressive hypocrisy that is found on the board on a daily basis has turned off a great deal of new posters to the point that no one posts on the board other than the same tired and old white ex-Mormons who have devolved into severely depressed individuals because they are too ignorant to figure out how to live life after leaving Mormonism. Fernando and I are of the same opinion that the board does not have the same allure as it once did. To be more specific, I believe that the primary reason the board no longer possesses any credibility is due to the fact that it continues to support ex-Mormon prophets like Bill Real and RFM. These two idiots have been out of anti-Mormon stuff for more than a year, and now they're back to regurgitating the same content they did years ago when they ran out of anti-Mormon material. Watching it is depressing, almost as depressing as some of the trash that has been posted on this forum as of late.

I'm going to give you something to think about, Dr. Shades. You have approximately 12 to 15 regular posters who contribute to the discussion on a weekly basis, and you have four progressive moderators who are responsible for monitoring the daily activity on the board. What you've done to your board is exactly the same as what's been going on at Bud Light over the past few months. You are responsible for the death of your board because you put a small group of mad progressives in charge of it, and those progressives have contributed to the board's reputation as a place where other insane progressives may go to air their rage against conservatives. If you were a businessman and ran that business the way you run this board, you would be bankrupt and living on the street with a pride of filthy cats that you chat to since you don't have any true friends.

Are you pleased with the board even if it has degenerated into a progressive wasteland?

Please send me a private message Dr. Shades, if you are Atlanticmike.

Did I direct my inquiry to you? If you've got something to say about AM then by all means, make a stand alone post about it.
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