NBC news story on Hunter Biden

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Did I say the laptop was a Russian “plant?”

That's the impression I got after reading your initial take that MarkK quoted

I will have enough for an entire book before this “scandal” is done.

Hunter, while living in California, decides to fly 3,000 miles to Delaware. All to drop off a laptop for repair, coincidentally at a huge MAGA fan shop. he decided to never pick up his own laptop.

There’s security footage of it, but it got lost. Epstein style. But don’t worry- the MAGA man swears he saw him drop it off. Turns out he has a mental condition where he CANNOT RECOGNIZE FACES (I’m not joking) he knew it was hunters though, cause of the stickers on the laptop... MAGA man, naturally, didn’t just erase and resell the laptop, but did the totally normal thing of duplicating the hard drive and spending hours sorting through thousands of emails to find one that suggests Hunter might’ve tried to arrange a meeting with daddy Biden no evidence any meeting ever occurred, but who cares.

In comes Rudy Giuliani, cyber security expert, and talking set of teeth -who was tricked by Borat, and periodically butt dials reporters on accident -he has ‘confirmed’ the information not even the FBI could. Rudy was so worried about the intel, he sat on the laptop for months until 3 weeks before the election.

Naturally, it proves Hunter was into pedo devil sex too, but the proof is secret and for Rudy’s eyes only. there’s a video of said drug fueled sexcapades, but again, you just gotta trust rudy

Rudy refuses to send any electronic proof of the emails to anyone. But it’s definitely real, and definitely exists Heh. Again- not a single news agency has actually seen any proof, except for photos of printed emails. This is why ThEY WoNT CoVeR iT

He was ‘confirming’ it the same time Trump received an intel briefing that Rudy was unknowingly being used by Russian operatives to spread disinformation. Lmao.

Rudy, tired of getting made fun of, tweets some more ‘source material’ text messages... except the text is in an app that didn’t exist at the time it supposedly happened, and...literally in Russia. Poor guy.

This was all also investigated by a real Post reporter who refused to put their name on it, as no part of it could be verified. Several news outlets also passed on the story for the same reason, including FoxNews and WSJ. Ended up written by Sean Hannity’s producer. Lol.

Now comes a guy named Bobulinski - alleging he, uhh met with Biden to discuss a Chinese business deal. He has proof, of course: ‘documents’ he says naturally, he actually hasn’t released anything.

The WSJ opinion section finally publishes a Bobulinkski piece. Note: opinion section, not news, as they still couldn’t verify anything. It alleges the above Chinese deal. They very next day, the WSJ news section refutes the entire thing, using Bobulinksi’s own source material.

Here comes Tucker Carlson. He is about to release a bombshell. All the emails. Proving everything. Unfortunately, these apparently only existed as single physical copies. The emails. Electronic mails. Only existed as one physical copy. (Got that?). Sadly, these printed non-electronic emails were lost (stolen!) in the mail, and no one ever made a copy , so we may never know which dog ate Tucker’s homework or who made-up this made-up story.

Next up is Martin Aspen, Swiss intelligence operative. He is the basis for many of these allegations and brought it public in a dossier that the PRESIDENT received.. it turns out he is not real. Literally, they made his face on a face generator and gave him a cute linkedIn profile at a fake company. Probably just a cover for the deep state.

I think I’ve got it all, but hard to say as they keep making new stuff up.

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Edit: Tucker has retrieved the mystery documents. Still don't know what's in them, but coincidentally he thinks we should give Hunter a break, and pretend like none of this happened.

I've posted a partial list of sources below. I'm supposed to be working right now, so its all I've got time for.

Also, I refuse to remove my emojis. Screw all of you.
- Doc

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What about that post was wrong? Help me out.

- Doc

So you pretty much still stand by your original take on the story?

He was ‘confirming’ it the same time Trump received an intel briefing that Rudy was unknowingly being used by Russian operatives to spread disinformation. Lmao.

Do you still believe there were actual Russian operatives that were using Rudy unknowingly to spread Russian disinformation? Because I think that was a lie told to President Trump and the American people by a partisan Democrat deep state determined to obstruct Trump's agenda and get him out of office by any means necessary. I think it was Hunter's actual unmodified laptop. I haven't seen any evidence that the Russians modified it or even had the laptop in their possession. Have you other than partisan lies by the DOJ, or should I say the "Biden 2024 campaign,," that we still call a Department of Justice.

And this matters how? If you are concerned about the children of Presidents being scummy types, refer back to the Bayrock Group and Trump SoHo comments. If you want to paint the parent by the action of their kids,

Honorentheos I think that paying Hunter Biden $10 million to get Tchokin fired and then Hunter giving 50% of that money to his father still qualifies as a bribe. In fact it's still a bribe even if Hunter kept the entire $10 million.

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Here is a post by Ken White (Popehat) discussing the hearing on Hunter Biden's plea agreement. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... udge-1.pdf

TL/DR The plea agreement was poorly written, and when the judge questioned the lawyers and Hunter, it was pretty clear that the prosecution and the defense did not agree on what critical parts of the agreement meant. The lawyers involved are all pretty experienced, so it's hard to understand why such a high profile case produced such a sloppy plea agreement.

The judge leans conservative and she caught the DOJ trying to slip indefinite immunity for Hunter into illegal firearm charge of the plea deal. When the DOJ saw they were caught they walked it back saying that they weren't offering immunity. At this point Hunter Biden's lawyers were outraged because they knew the DOJ was lying to try to save face.

I get that this is the right-wing spin, but it's not tethered to what actually happened. First, there is no indication at all that the judge's political lean has anything to do with her approach to the proposed plea bargain agreement. Second, the agreement as drafted does the opposite of what you claim. It includes a recitation of facts that would constitute an admission by Hunter that he violated laws that require registration as a foreign lobbyist and is also vague and does not clearly state that the government cannot pursue those charges. On top of that, the plea agreement states that the same judge that has to approve the agreement is designated to "referee" any disputes about the agreement.

The thing about a plea agreement is that they are drafted to be so clear that no referee is needed. This one didn't do that. And before the judge signs off, she wants to make damn sure that she doesn't have to referee down the road. in my opinion, the plea agreement almost looks like the two sides didn't come to an agreement on the scope of the release for Hunter and tried to put a deal together that kicked the can down the road on the foreign lobbyist issue. No judge in her right mind would approve that.

I think the plea deal is pretty good evidence that there is some kind of problem with the prosecution's case. The more I read, the more I'm inclined to think that the prosecution is worried that either the laptop itself or the actions of the two whistleblowers in evading the restrictions imposed by the taint team create a substantial risk that a judge would simply throw out the evidence the prosecution needs to get a conviction. Hunter's problem, of course, is that he's almost certainly guilty of what he's been charged with, may be guilty of more, and doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in jail. It looks to me like both parties have signifiant risks in taking the case to trial, but failed to come to a complete agreement.

It's been interesting re reading this thread and seeing how the left's position has evolved from Doc originally saying that the laptop was a Russian plant, to Pres Biden had no knowledge of Hunter's businesses, to Pres Biden is not formally in business with Hunter Biden, to Joe Biden never spoke with Hunter's foreign business partners in Ukraine, Russia, CCP, Romania, to Joe Biden just talked about the weather while talking with Hunter's foreign bosses.

The laptop being part of a Russian disinformation campaign is by no means off the table. One witness the Republicans haven't called (because his testimony doesn't fit their narrative) is Lev Parnas, who would testify that Russian operatives had copied the laptop. There is also evidence that someone accessed and manipulated the laptop's contents using the e-mail address that Hunter created to communicate with the alleged prostitution ring. The FBI failed to do an actual forensic examination of the laptop for over a year after it took possession, and we still don't know the results of that testing.

It's the release by Giuliani of a purported copy of a hard drive so close to the election, along with the exaggerated claims about what the contents show, that makes the incident look like part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Giuliani had already been gathering information spoon fed to him by Russian agents and oligarchs, so the timing of his shopping around his copy of the hard drive is pretty suspicious.

I don't see the change you are talking about. Biden said he didn't discuss Hunter's business with him. The evidence that he did is either highly speculative or come from a pro-Russian source. But, the whole "didn't discuss" issue is a straw man. Discussing Hunter's business with him isn't a crime or even evidence of corruption. What the freedom caucus and Magaland have been 100% unable to do is come up with any evidence that Joe Biden received any money through Hunter's businesses in exchange for some kind of favorable treatment for somebody. Every bombshell that the Republican dominated congressional committees promised to the public has been a dud.

After the next election it will be, "I'm just a loving father who was trying to help my troubled son. Cocaine and whores are expensive and since Hunter doesn't like practicing law or any other kind of honest labor, he needed the money."

No, it won't. If the right wingers have been unable to find any evidence that Joe Biden used his government position for the purpose of helping Hunter's business despite the massive efforts to dig up something -- anything -- they could use, they're not going to dig up anything.

What is most amazing about Joe Biden getting the prosecutor fired is that this is exactly what the Democrats and several RINOs accused Trump of doing in the first impeachment. Now those very same people are all saying this is just politics and it's how things are done in Washington, not just by the Bidens. Nothing to see here, move along.

No, the two examples are not alike at all. In getting the prosecutor fired, Joe Biden was acting in accordance with U.S. policy and the policy of out allies to remove a prosecutor who was not prosecuting corruption in Ukraine. Trump tried to influence a foreign government to open an investigation against his political rival for the presidency so he could win re-election. That's the difference between a corrupt and a non-corrupt act.

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No, it won't. If the right wingers have been unable to find any evidence that Joe Biden used his government position for the purpose of helping Hunter's business despite the massive efforts to dig up something -- anything -- they could use, they're not going to dig up anything.

Of course an influence peddler isn't going to write a formal contract. Hunter goes into the room and tells Burisma what he wants for a retainer. Then he calls Dad on the phone to demonstrate that he has access to him. Maybe all Joe said was to talk about the weather. If your Dad were to call you while you were at dinner with a client would you not leave the room if you had to take the call. Why else would you call your Dad while meeting with the superchairman of the CCP, and do this 20+ times according to Devin Archer's testimony? And what service were these sham businesses of Hunter Biden providing that motivated these corrupt countries to deposit so much money in his bank account? That's all the evidence we need. Anyone who doesn't find any reason to believe that the Bidens are selling influence to Joe Biden is just being willfully ignorant.

Trump tried to influence a foreign government to open an investigation against his political rival for the presidency so he could win re-election.

The Biden DOJ is engaged in election interference against Donald Trump right now. The Manhattan case is completely ridiculous. Even if Trump is guilty of doing the same thing Hillary Clinton did in the classified documents case, the DOJs motive is still partisan election interference which explains why they never raided Hillary's house or squeezed her maids that she had printing out classified documents at her house.

What the freedom caucus and Magaland have been 100% unable to do is come up with any evidence that Joe Biden received any money through Hunter's businesses in exchange for some kind of favorable treatment for somebody. Every bombshell that the Republican dominated congressional committees promised to the public has been a dud.

What is Joe Biden's net worth? How did he accumulate that much wealth on a $200k/year congressional salary?

along with the exaggerated claims about what the contents show,

If there were exonerating information on the laptop, the Biden FBI would have leaked it to CNN by now.

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No, it won't. If the right wingers have been unable to find any evidence that Joe Biden used his government position for the purpose of helping Hunter's business despite the massive efforts to dig up something -- anything -- they could use, they're not going to dig up anything.

Of course an influence peddler isn't going to write a formal contract. Hunter goes into the room and tells Burisma what he wants for a retainer. Then he calls Dad on the phone to demonstrate that he has access to him. Maybe all Joe said was to talk about the weather. If your Dad were to call you while you were at dinner with a client would you not leave the room if you had to take the call. Why else would you call your Dad while meeting with the superchairman of the CCP, and do this 20+ times according to Devin Archer's testimony? And what service were these sham businesses of Hunter Biden providing that motivated these corrupt countries to deposit so much money in his bank account? That's all the evidence we need. Anyone who doesn't find any reason to believe that the Bidens are selling influence to Joe Biden is just being willfully ignorant.

Oh, you have Devon Archer's testimony? Have the Republicans who run the Committee released the transcript.

That's all good evidence that Hunter Biden tried to trade off his connections with his father. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that he did that. That's not evidence at all that Joe Biden did anything unethical, corrupt or illegal.

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That's all good evidence that Hunter Biden tried to trade off his connections with his father. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that he did that. That's not evidence at all that Joe Biden did anything unethical, corrupt or illegal.

Nothing unethical? Do you really believe that?

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That's all good evidence that Hunter Biden tried to trade off his connections with his father. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that he did that. That's not evidence at all that Joe Biden did anything unethical, corrupt or illegal.

Nothing unethical? Do you really believe that?

I believe that I have seen no evidence that would meet even a more probable than not standard that Joe Biden did anything unethical with respect to his governmental offices of Vice President and President as related to Hunter Biden's businesses.

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What about that post was wrong? Help me out.

- Doc

So you pretty much still stand by your original take on the story?

He was ‘confirming’ it the same time Trump received an intel briefing that Rudy was unknowingly being used by Russian operatives to spread disinformation. Lmao.

Do you still believe there were actual Russian operatives that were using Rudy unknowingly to spread Russian disinformation? Because I think that was a lie told to President Trump and the American people by a partisan Democrat deep state determined to obstruct Trump's agenda and get him out of office by any means necessary. I think it was Hunter's actual unmodified laptop. I haven't seen any evidence that the Russians modified it or even had the laptop in their possession. Have you other than partisan lies by the DOJ, or should I say the "Biden 2024 campaign,," that we still call a Department of Justice.

And this matters how? If you are concerned about the children of Presidents being scummy types, refer back to the Bayrock Group and Trump SoHo comments. If you want to paint the parent by the action of their kids,

Honorentheos I think that paying Hunter Biden $10 million to get Tchokin fired and then Hunter giving 50% of that money to his father still qualifies as a bribe. In fact it's still a bribe even if Hunter kept the entire $10 million.

Ok. So, and I'm making sure we're all clear here, when you stated that I said that the laptop was a Russian plant you, in fact, made that claim up out of whole cloth?

- Doc

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That's all good evidence that Hunter Biden tried to trade off his connections with his father. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that he did that. That's not evidence at all that Joe Biden did anything unethical, corrupt or illegal.

Nothing unethical? Do you really believe that?

The fact that you ask that question after having so many posters, Honorentheos in particular (honorable mention to KG), disabuse you of your false assertions and conspiratorial notions is bananas. YOU. DON'T. READ. Stop damned skimming and read their goddamn posts. Go back. Start from the beginning. And re-read this entire thread.

“F”.

- Doc