Nuance Hoe claims missionaries now using bait-and-switch "we're Christian" tactics

[huckelberry]

Especially when every flavor of evangelical has its own craziness. Do you want the one that says music in church is a sin? How about the one which handles snakes?

The glue holding mainstream Christianity together is the mutual agreement on creeds no one without a PhD in theology or philosophy even understands.

I am inclined to think it takes three years of Mormon indoctrination to render a person unable to understand the Nicene creed.

And it is effective.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

According to the article Drumdude cited, it was Google, not Evangelicals, using Moroni as a symbol instead of a cross for Mormon chapels. It was likely unreflecting given that Mormons for generations defined themselves against the cross, and put the angel Moroni on temples and the cover of the Blue Book of Mormons. There doesn't appear to have been any challenge to rectify the marketing problem. Church leaders paid Sylvester McMonkey McBean 50$ and the cross-on machine whirled up. All good.

As a famous fallen angel once said, “You can buy anything in this world with money,” or something like that.

Also Google crosses.

[huckelberry]

Indeed. I mean, if Evangelicals can fall all over themselves to worship Trump, the idea of them rejecting Mormons as Christians is pretty damn hilarious.

Especially when every flavor of evangelical has its own craziness. Do you want the one that says music in church is a sin? How about the one which handles snakes?

something like .003 of a percent of Evangelicals handle snakes. Closer to zero think music in church is a sin. There are groups which having singing only without instruments but that is music.

I wish those percentages applied to fanatic Trump support. Of counse they do not. Apostasy? perhaps illness.

[drumdude]

Especially when every flavor of evangelical has its own craziness. Do you want the one that says music in church is a sin? How about the one which handles snakes?

something like .003 of a percent of Evangelicals handle snakes. Closer to zero think music in church is a sin. There are groups which having singing only without instruments but that is music.

I wish those percentages applied to fanatic Trump support. Of counse they do not. Apostasy? perhaps illness.

Perhaps the solution is to split the Trump fanatics into more flavors of crazy so at least they aren’t one large voting block. Make them disagree about issues enough to fragment within.

I think that’s pretty inevitable once Trump is no longer alive.

[huckelberry]

something like .003 of a percent of Evangelicals handle snakes. Closer to zero think music in church is a sin. There are groups which having singing only without instruments but that is music.

I wish those percentages applied to fanatic Trump support. Of counse they do not. Apostasy? perhaps illness.

Perhaps the solution is to split the Trump fanatics into more flavors of crazy so at least they aren’t one large voting block. Make them disagree about issues enough to fragment within.

I think that’s pretty inevitable once Trump is no longer alive.

I think you have a hopeful point there drumdude. There is plenty of potential differences if the intoxication of Trump fades into the past.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Music really can keep the youth from leaving the Church. I know when Dr. Shades was struggling with his testimony after his mission, this song really resonated with him, helping him stay in the Church a few months longer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TeV8yp8ALM

This song also provided much comfort while he was on his mission and received the dreaded Dear John letter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKMwo-Z5jyI

[Kishkumen]

I am inclined to think it takes three years of Mormon indoctrination to render a person unable to understand the Nicene creed.

And it is effective.

I can agree with you that Mormon indoctrination makes Classical Trinitarianism seem absurd. I do not agree that without Mormon indoctrination it is simple to grasp.

Absurd and difficult are not the same thing.

[drumdude]

I am inclined to think it takes three years of Mormon indoctrination to render a person unable to understand the Nicene creed.

And it is effective.

I can agree with you that Mormon indoctrination makes Classical Trinitarianism seem absurd. I do not agree that without Mormon indoctrination it is simple to grasp.

Absurd and difficult are not the same thing.

To be fair the Catholic Church views it as a mystery, something which cannot be fully understood. And something to which natural reasoning does not fully apply.

I find that approach much more reasonable than younger fundamentalist religions like Mormonism which have a desire to literally explain everything.

[Kishkumen]

To be fair the Catholic Church views it as a mystery, something which cannot be fully understood. And something to which natural reasoning does not fully apply.

I know, but if you read up on the history of Christian theology and its relationship with Greek philosophy, then it looks a lot less arbitrary and impenetrable. Is it difficult yes? Is it completely understandable? No. Not for me, anyway. But it is not the caricature that is often made of it either, and I include LDS anti-Trinidadian propaganda among the bad misrepresentations.

[drumdude]

To be fair the Catholic Church views it as a mystery, something which cannot be fully understood. And something to which natural reasoning does not fully apply.

I know, but if you read up on the history of Christian theology and its relationship with Greek philosophy, then it looks a lot less arbitrary and impenetrable. Is it difficult yes? Is it completely understandable? No. Not for me, anyway. But it is not the caricature that is often made of it either, and I include LDS anti-Trinidadian propaganda among the bad misrepresentations.

Absolutely. It's really pathetic to see the strawman that LDS create to attack Trinitarianism. I thought a lot of that nastiness was done with after the Bible bashing boom of the 70s and 80s, but Boylan is bringing it back again.