If plates then God

[MG 2.0]

This is priceless. So, you feel justified in postng all your ad hom attacks because you think they are true, when other people comment on your attacks you accuse them of not posting substance.

What nonsense.

Please?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Marcus, you wasted one whole page with your nonsense.

Please stop. You are looking silly.

Back to topic?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

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One has to work at and continuously strive to strengthen their faith, but it is based upon the bedrock of Jesus Christ, not the plates...

Make up your mind, mg.

...The plates literally give substance to the meaning of the universe and our place in it. Say whatever you want about them, they are KEY to evidence of God and his workings....

For you, are the 'plates' KEY? or not?

No contradiction. Dig in. Think about it.

Oh, and read everything in context. Haven’t I asked you to do that before?...

Lol. Not a response, just a dodge. Explaining your contradictory statements is your responsibility. If you can't, that is an explanation in itself.

Bottom line here, justifying plates, etc. is simply not possible when one starts by assuming the conclusion, and then tries to fit disparate and inconsistent facts into their story. It is illogical. It is not evidence of the supernatural, its just an attempt to justify the injustifiable.

[MG 2.0]

Bottom line here, justifying plates, etc. is simply not possible when one starts by assuming the conclusion, and then tries to fit disparate and inconsistent facts into their story. It is illogical. It is not evidence of the supernatural, its just an attempt to justify the injustifiable.

And there you have it, folks. Shrink wrapping believers in the restoration of the gospel into a tidy little package of silly people.

Right, Doc?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Marcus, you wasted one whole page with your nonsense.

Please stop. You are looking silly.

Back to topic?

Regards,
MG

No MG. You arent going to get away with all of your attacks by asking others to not to notice them.

You attack when you can't explain or justify what you've said. If you want substance, stop attacking, and provide substance.

[MG 2.0]

What you seem to be dancing around but unwilling to admit is that Christ’s suffering and sacrifice is not sufficient for the redemption of sins. Innocent children also must be beaten and raped for salvation to occur. Beating, rape, torture, and murder of children are all necessary parts of the plan that Jesus Christ himself presented at the council in heaven, and you voted for that plan. Because mortals cannot be free agents if God does not send innocent children to earth knowing that they will be beaten, tortured, raped and murdered. Because unless children are beaten, tortured raped, and murdered, it’s so easy not to sin that you call it being handed salvation on a silver platter.

Christ’s Atonement is Infinite and eternal. The sufferings of all of God’s children due to the wickedness of men will be compensated for and healed. One has to remember that this life is not all there is and that the sufferings and trials of this life are a small part of eternity. There will be a judgement. Those that are guilty of heinous crimes against humanity will also be compensated with appropriate consequences for their actions.

If you believe that this life is all there is, then yes, things appear…and are…a real mess when it comes to the atrocities committed by free agents upon the innocent.

War and mayhem and cruel disease and sickness have been and will always be a part of this natural world.

The power of Jesus’s atonement is the only mitigating factor that can make everything right in the long run.

Secularism does not give any hope to the powerless and innocent in the face of evil.

As I think I’ve already said, God knows full well that this is a fallen world. A natural world where there are real world consequences for the actions that people make…both the good and the bad.

That’s VERY difficult for some people to accept especially if they have no hope of God’s love and and Christ’s mercy in the eternal scheme of things.

God is not at fault for the actions and choices that evil people make. But he will judge them accordingly and all will be made right.

There is a matter of trust involved. Do we and can we trust in God’s plan which involves free agency and that all will be made right through Christ’s Infinite Atonement?

As it is, you have failed to come up with a plan/schema for a better world in which there is no evil. You are essentially left in a position of no hope. You cannot stop the evil. It will always exist in the hearts of some men/women.

God and his Son are the only one’s that have planned for and created a plan by which all we compensated and rewarded according to their works in the flesh. Some are blessed with the faith to know and/or believe that this is so. That faith cannot be forced. It is a choice.

As is the belief in the plates and the angel that are part of the restoration narrative.

Regards,
MG

*bump for Marcus.

Marcus, do you agree or disagree with this statement from above:

Secularism does not give any hope to the powerless and innocent in the face of evil.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Bottom line here, justifying plates, etc. is simply not possible when one starts by assuming the conclusion, and then tries to fit disparate and inconsistent facts into their story. It is illogical. It is not evidence of the supernatural, its just an attempt to justify the injustifiable.

And there you have it, folks. Shrink wrapping believers in the restoration of the gospel into a tidy little package of silly people.

Right, Doc?

Regards,
MG

No, this was not a substantive response to my post:

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One has to work at and continuously strive to strengthen their faith, but it is based upon the bedrock of Jesus Christ, not the plates...

Make up your mind, mg.

...The plates literally give substance to the meaning of the universe and our place in it. Say whatever you want about them, they are KEY to evidence of God and his workings....

For you, are the 'plates' KEY? or not?

No contradiction. Dig in. Think about it.

Oh, and read everything in context. Haven’t I asked you to do that before?...

Can you explain the contradiction in your posts?

[Marcus]

Christ’s Atonement is Infinite and eternal. The sufferings of all of God’s children due to the wickedness of men will be compensated for and healed. One has to remember that this life is not all there is and that the sufferings and trials of this life are a small part of eternity. There will be a judgement. Those that are guilty of heinous crimes against humanity will also be compensated with appropriate consequences for their actions.

If you believe that this life is all there is, then yes, things appear…and are…a real mess when it comes to the atrocities committed by free agents upon the innocent.

War and mayhem and cruel disease and sickness have been and will always be a part of this natural world.

The power of Jesus’s atonement is the only mitigating factor that can make everything right in the long run.

Secularism does not give any hope to the powerless and innocent in the face of evil.

As I think I’ve already said, God knows full well that this is a fallen world. A natural world where there are real world consequences for the actions that people make…both the good and the bad.

That’s VERY difficult for some people to accept especially if they have no hope of God’s love and and Christ’s mercy in the eternal scheme of things.

God is not at fault for the actions and choices that evil people make. But he will judge them accordingly and all will be made right.

There is a matter of trust involved. Do we and can we trust in God’s plan which involves free agency and that all will be made right through Christ’s Infinite Atonement?

As it is, you have failed to come up with a plan/schema for a better world in which there is no evil. You are essentially left in a position of no hope. You cannot stop the evil. It will always exist in the hearts of some men/women.

God and his Son are the only one’s that have planned for and created a plan by which all we compensated and rewarded according to their works in the flesh. Some are blessed with the faith to know and/or believe that this is so. That faith cannot be forced. It is a choice.

As is the belief in the plates and the angel that are part of the restoration narrative.

Regards,
MG

*bump for Marcus.

Your response again is a non sequitur and fails to respond to Res Ipsa's question, to which you were responding.

Yes, you have. It was a non sequitur the first time you said it. And it is still a non sequitur. Beaten and raped children do not need the atonement to be saved from being victims of beatings and rape. Being a victim is not a sin.

What you seem to be dancing around but unwilling to admit is that Christ’s suffering and sacrifice is not sufficient for the redemption of sins. Innocent children also must be beaten and raped for salvation to occur. Beating, rape, torture, and murder of children are all necessary parts of the plan that Jesus Christ himself presented at the council in heaven, and you voted for that plan. Because mortals cannot be free agents if God does not send innocent children to earth knowing that they will be beaten, tortured, raped and murdered. Because unless children are beaten, tortured raped, and murdered, it’s so easy not to sin that you call it being handed salvation on a silver platter.

Take your own advice upthread and grow a pair: own up to the logical consequences of your own religious claims. Have the courage to admit that you sat in the council of heaven and knowingly voted for a plan that included beating, raping, torturing and murdering children. Then argue that the atonement somehow requires and makes all that peachy keen.

Please, respond to that.

[MG 2.0]

Marcus, do you agree or disagree with this statement from above:

Secularism does not give any hope to the powerless and innocent in the face of evil.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

…provide substance.

Marcus,

Another question of substance directly related to the response/question I made to Res Ipsa which has been reposted recently:

Are you able to come up with a plan/schema for a better world in which there is no evil? You are essentially left in a position of no hope. You cannot stop the evil. It will always exist in the hearts of some men/women.

What would your better world look like while at the same time allowing for free agents living in that world?

Regards,
MG