Is Mopologetics Equivalent to a Church Calling?

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Re: Is Mopologetics Equivalent to a Church Calling?

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Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:15 pm
I envision the proprietor heading up a jump team of elite undercover Mopologists armed with iPads and copies of Richard Lloyd Anderson’s Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses who perform tactical positive and negative Mopologetic strikes on wavering members. The proprietor recently lamented the fact that some former Latter-day Saints simply assert the golden plates never existed. He wrote:
I had hoped that the stimulus to conversation provided by Witnesses, Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon, our still not-yet-complete series of short “Insights” videos on the topic, and our still-under-construction Witnesses of the Book of Mormon website would have made it almost impossible to remain in such willful ignorance.
Mopologetic jump-team missions would allow the specially chosen and called elite Mopologists to force doubting Saints to view hours of “Insights” videos and watch and rewatch Witnesses until they beg for mercy and/or are reconverted.

These missions could be carried out across the world. I can see in my mind’s eye the proprietor unleashing his pure German to effectuate a Stuttgartian Rescue.
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Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:15 pm
I envision the proprietor heading up a jump team of elite undercover Mopologists armed with iPads and copies of Richard Lloyd Anderson’s Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses who perform tactical positive and negative Mopologetic strikes on wavering members. The proprietor recently lamented the fact that some former Latter-day Saints simply assert the golden plates never existed. He wrote:
I had hoped that the stimulus to conversation provided by Witnesses, Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon, our still not-yet-complete series of short “Insights” videos on the topic, and our still-under-construction Witnesses of the Book of Mormon website would have made it almost impossible to remain in such willful ignorance.
Mopologetic jump-team missions would allow the specially chosen and called elite Mopologists to force doubting Saints to view hours of “Insights” videos and watch and rewatch Witnesses until they beg for mercy and/or are reconverted.

These missions could be carried out across the world. I can see in my mind’s eye the proprietor unleashing his pure German to effectuate a Stuttgartian Rescue.
I know that's tongue in cheek, but I'm convinced Peterson believes the films and his blog and Interpreter are far more worthy of his time than serving a senior mission as directed by an Apostle at Conference. These are his last throws of the dice in terms of legacy, and Rasband be dammed.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:42 pm
Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:15 pm
I envision the proprietor heading up a jump team of elite undercover Mopologists armed with iPads and copies of Richard Lloyd Anderson’s Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses who perform tactical positive and negative Mopologetic strikes on wavering members. The proprietor recently lamented the fact that some former Latter-day Saints simply assert the golden plates never existed. He wrote:Mopologetic jump-team missions would allow the specially chosen and called elite Mopologists to force doubting Saints to view hours of “Insights” videos and watch and rewatch Witnesses until they beg for mercy and/or are reconverted.

These missions could be carried out across the world. I can see in my mind’s eye the proprietor unleashing his pure German to effectuate a Stuttgartian Rescue.
I know that's tongue in cheek, but I'm convinced Peterson believes the films and his blog and Interpreter are far more worthy of his time than serving a senior mission as directed by an Apostle at Conference. These are his last throws of the dice in terms of legacy, and Rasband be dammed.
That is certainly my impression of the situation. I mean the intellect in Peterson's mind is far, far greater than the mantle. In that I entirely agree with him, but for different reasons. I don't use intellect to avoid following the brethren like Peterson does. I use intellect to find truth and due to that, recognize the brethren lie like crazy about everything they talk on.
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Doctor Scratch wrote: rather, he did it because he is contemptuous towards Church authority, and hates being told what to do, and despises feeling like he has to be constrained by the Brethren’s stupid “rules.”
If this is true, it's the biggest plot twist in years.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:09 am
Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:04 am
How about a two-year mission on behalf of the Strengthening Church Members Committee to rescue doubting members?
I'm blown away by this suggestion, Tom.

Wasn't it admitted that a certain SCMC "intervention" failed? You know, I always thought that was odd. I mean, people in those quarters don't generally like to admit that they've ever lost or failed at anything. Nothing has really ever not gone exactly to plan. Everything the Mopologists do is a success. Okay, there was 2012, but that was a conspiracy. I don't recall any blame of nefarious forces for the failed intervention.

I fear we're getting into some complex psychology here, and I really hate to speculate. But what the heck, I'll give it a shot anyway.

What if -- what if that intervention was "thrown"?

Because think about it, had it been a blistering success, there would have been the expectations for another, and then another -- and before you know it, cancel those plans for a week in the Swiss Alps, because the Lord has actual, real work for you to do rescuing his sheep.
That’s an intriguing thought, Gad. I’ve always viewed God as having an impish sense of humor. It wouldn’t surprise me if God inspired The Brethren to call the proprietor to serve a two-year mission for SCMC. It seems clear that the proprietor didn’t get it right the first time. God may decide that the proprietor needs another opportunity.
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Tom wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:41 am
Gadianton wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:09 am
I'm blown away by this suggestion, Tom.

Wasn't it admitted that a certain SCMC "intervention" failed? You know, I always thought that was odd. I mean, people in those quarters don't generally like to admit that they've ever lost or failed at anything. Nothing has really ever not gone exactly to plan. Everything the Mopologists do is a success. Okay, there was 2012, but that was a conspiracy. I don't recall any blame of nefarious forces for the failed intervention.

I fear we're getting into some complex psychology here, and I really hate to speculate. But what the heck, I'll give it a shot anyway.

What if -- what if that intervention was "thrown"?

Because think about it, had it been a blistering success, there would have been the expectations for another, and then another -- and before you know it, cancel those plans for a week in the Swiss Alps, because the Lord has actual, real work for you to do rescuing his sheep.
That’s an intriguing thought, Gad. I’ve always viewed God as having an impish sense of humor. It wouldn’t surprise me if God inspired The Brethren to call the proprietor to serve a two-year mission for SCMC. It seems clear that the proprietor didn’t get it right the first time. God may decide that the proprietor needs another opportunity.
I would propose God having impish humor is not far off...... it's very in line with much of what Alan Watts taught.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:42 pm
. . . I'm convinced Peterson believes the films and his blog and Interpreter are far more worthy of his time than serving a senior mission as directed by an Apostle at Conference.
If so, then let's face it: He's probably right.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:37 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:42 pm
. . . I'm convinced Peterson believes the films and his blog and Interpreter are far more worthy of his time than serving a senior mission as directed by an Apostle at Conference.
If so, then let's face it: He's probably right.
:lol: Well done Shades
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I have a hard time believing that DCP is a TBM. Not because he believes in ESP and dowsing, but because of his long and well-documented racism, misogyny, anger, homophobia and the way he treats other people. If he is indeed a TBM, he’s one of the worst I’ve ever seen, and I've seen some really bad ones.

He’s a toxic individual who has harmed countless lives and destroyed numerous relationships/friendships.

In the end, it’s all about the money and recognition for DCP. I think he could care less about the Church, and I think that’s reflected in his words and deeds.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:32 pm
I have a hard time believing that DCP is a TBM. Not because he believes in ESP and dowsing, but because of his long and well-documented racism, misogyny, anger, homophobia and the way he treats other people. If he is indeed a TBM, he’s one of the worst I’ve ever seen, and I've seen some really bad ones.

He’s a toxic individual who has harmed countless lives and destroyed numerous relationships/friendships.

In the end, it’s all about the money and recognition for DCP. I think he could care less about the Church, and I think that’s reflected in his words and deeds.
He enjoys being the biggest fish in an extremely tiny pond.

He found his niche.
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