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You’re good, but just remember I’m just a guy chit chatting. I don’t know crap from “F” (Ozark ref).
Hey "chit chatting guy who doesn't know crap from “F”". This is what I have to do to when I read your know-nothing posts.
Inshallah, Arabic in shāʾ Allāh, Arabic-language expression meaning literally “if God wills.”

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Arabic: in shāʾ Allāh
Inshallah, Arabic in shāʾ Allāh, Arabic-language expression meaning literally “if God wills.”


Meaning and usage
In the Qurʾān
The widely used expression derives from the Qurʾān, where it frequently occurs in combination with statements about the future. In the 18th surah (chapter), Al-Kahf (The Cave), the Prophet Muhammad is exhorted in verses 23–24 to use the expression when making promises:

Never say of anything, “I will do so-and-so tomorrow,” without in shāʾ Allāh. When you forget [to say it], remember your Lord, and say, “May the Lord guide me to more righteous conduct than this.”

According to some Muslim commentators, this verse refers to an event in which Muhammad’s prophethood is tested with questions about the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus. Muhammad promises to have an answer from God the following day, but, because he does not say in shāʾ Allāh, Muhammad fails to receive a revelation for 15 days. The incident thus demonstrates that God is in command and that Muhammad cannot simply divine a revelation by his own will alone. In this sense, in shāʾ Allāh concedes one’s will in favour of God’s, a self-recusal referred to as istithnāʾ.

In speech
The idiom is thus associated with Islam, but its meaning is generic enough that Arabs of other faiths also use the everyday expression. It is typical in the speech of Arab Christians, for instance, although they may occasionally substitute religious expressions that are specific to the Christian community. It is most typically used to express hope that a certain future event will come about, like the English-language expression God willing.

Some Muslims associate the expression with the doctrine of predestination, the belief that God has already chosen the fate of the universe. However, Shiʿis, members of the smaller of the two major branches of Islam, reject the strict determinism of Sunni theology, the other arm of Islam, and that Shiʿis as well as Christians use the phrase suggests that the expression was already widely employed before the predestination interpretation was applied to it.

A secondary use of the phrase is to express doubt that a certain outcome will indeed come to pass. In these cases, it may deflect commitment to carry out a certain task, as with the English sentence We’ll see. A notably astute use of inshallah in this cynical manner came from the 2020 U.S. presidential candidate Joe Biden during a debate with incumbent Pres. Donald Trump. When Trump promised to release his tax returns to the public, Biden responded: “When? Inshallah?” But almost paradoxically, and less commonly observed by non-Muslim English speakers, the phrase can also indicate a sincere intent to carry out a task when used as a response to a yes-or-no question.

Etymology, history, and usage outside of Arabic
The words in (“if”) and shāʾ (“willed”) are archaic. They appeared with some frequency in Qurʾānic Arabic but quickly disappeared from the literary lexicon of Classical Arabic, apart from fossilized expressions and direct quotations of the Qurʾān. The word shāʾ is similarly used in the phrase ma shāʾ Allāh (or mashallah; “what God has willed”), an expression of gratitude regarding past events.

n modern Arabic usage, the words shāʾ and Allāh are typically pronounced together—as if shAllah—leading to the common spelling of inshallah as one word in the Latin alphabet. Historically, these two words were separated by a glottal stop, a sound that is retained in formal Arabic speech but dropped in colloquial locution.

Religious Muslims use the phrase cross-linguistically. Because the Qurʾān is considered to be the literal word of God, the quotation of phrases like in shāʾ Allāh in their original Arabic wording holds sacred significance. The phrase inshallah is therefore used by English-speaking Muslims in everyday speech. Likewise, it has been borrowed into several languages whose speakers are predominantly Muslim, such as Persian, Malay, Turkish, and Urdu.

Prolonged contact between Muslims and Christians in the Iberian Peninsula led to the absorption of a sister phrase, either law shāʾ Allāh or Washington shāʾ Allāh (both phrases also carrying the meaning of “if God wills”), into the Ibero-Romance languages. The phrase was pronounced as one word and spelled phonetically as oxalá (where the letter x represents the palato-alveolar fricative /ʃ/), as remains the situation in Portuguese today. A sound change in Spanish, completed by the 15th century, shifted pronunciation of x from the alveolar ridge to the soft palate. The modern spelling, ojalá, reflects this change in pronunciation. In these Romance languages, the phrase has lost all religious connotations.
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I don't think that you people 8-) realize what an effective classroom this board is. If you could see all the investigations I've undertaken on account of this war and the comments here (and those of my own personal and related interest) you'd probably be surprised. That above definition of Inshallah isn't even the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg that's going on over here on my end.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:05 pm
I don't think that you people 8-) realize what an effective classroom this board is. If you could see all the investigations I've undertaken on account of this war and the comments here (and those of my own personal and related interest) you'd probably be surprised.
I really enjoy it when you tear into a subject like this. It's always interesting to see what you find, and I always learn new stuff. Go get 'em!
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:42 pm
My responses will be in colored font, bolded.
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:29 am
… I don't have any follow up questions to what you posted because quite frankly, you understand military strategy better than I ever could so wrapping my head around this kind of thing comes slow to me.

I’m not at all a military strategist of any quality, whatsoever. I just happened to sit in ~50’ish high-level briefs covering a range of topics in a few countries with a few different agencies. So, I have, maybe, a little bit of insight to command-level talk, thinking, planning, and operations.

Tell me why you think they are shoving the Gazans to the south.

Total war.

Are they trying to force them on Egypt?

I don’t think they care what the Gazans do. I think there’s a sort of nationalistic fervor happening right now, and I don’t know how long the bloodlust will last.

Or

Are they trying to pile them up in one place to make it more convenient to blast them off the planet?

I think we’re in ‘inshallah’ mode at this point.

They are trying to make them evacuate and relocate entire hospitals of patients. I don't get the feeling they care if the patients or citizens in general make it to the south or not. That's why I'm asking if they're simply corralling people into one place to exterminate all the Gazans, get them out of the way so they can occupy the territory.

And I thought I heard one commentator say that the what...Hamas brass (?) is in Q'tar so would they (the "owners" of Hamas) even care if there was an extermination of the Gazans?

I don’t where they’re at, but if they’re in Qatar, it’s not going to go well for Qatar.

And Cam I thought Iran was funding Hamas (and Russia was on their side which is why I originally posed the China question but now you're saying China's not invested in the ME) so what are they doing in Q'tar if that's even true?

Probably meeting with Iranian and Russian officials planning their, I mean Russia’s next move.

I thought the Arabs had a good relationship with Israel.

Think of it like Hollywood prison politics which are based on race.

Be patient with me...I'm trying to learn. If you get sick of me asking questions just tell me and I'll shut it.

You’re good, but just remember I’m just a guy chit chatting. I don’t know crap from “F” (Ozark ref).
Oh, Israel is hitting targets in Lebanon right now, so that might be where some of that ‘leadership tree’ went to.

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I heard an interesting interview with a hostage negotiator who has negotiated with Hamas in the past. He's been in communication with various Hamas leaders from the beginning in an attempt to try and negotiate release of hostages. He described them as "knowing they are going to die." Attempts to even build a foundation for any kind of off ramp or deescalation are met with complete rejection. They're in full martyr mode with no reason to compromise. They're not afraid to die and be rewarded in heaven.

Doesn't leave much wiggle room.
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I just looked at a collection of war photos published in the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... _p002_f001

The scale of suffering is indescribable. I don't know whether to cry or throw up.

As I went through the photos, I realized in most cases I couldn't tell whether the scenes showed which "side" the sufferers were on. It just looked like people until I read the captions.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:08 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:05 pm
I don't think that you people 8-) realize what an effective classroom this board is. If you could see all the investigations I've undertaken on account of this war and the comments here (and those of my own personal and related interest) you'd probably be surprised.
I really enjoy it when you tear into a subject like this. It's always interesting to see what you find, and I always learn new stuff. Go get 'em!
Trust me you have no idea what it's like in my head right now :shock: . Historical matter, maps, political mechanisms, the underpinnings of the varying religious views involved, the blow by blow of the day and how it fits in and all this time I'm running prophecy in my head as a companion topic which also means not only examining Biblical covenants, prophecy, fulfillment, but also word translations in Hebrew, symbolism, and how the Jewish folks rely on the Old Testament but not completely, and if I ever wrap my head around the Quran I'll be doing good.

It's a jungle in this head right now. Several "tapes" running at the same time.

And with regard to to the religious/cultural matter, I firmly believe that if we don't understand the religious perspectives then we can't fully comprehend the primary motivations behind who is doing what to whom and why.

This war intersected another study I had started off on and so I shifted course.

I'm trying! Maybe if I can wrap my head around all the ingredients I can come up with a position or a coherent contribution or maybe...a cake! :lol:
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:31 pm
I just looked at a collection of war photos published in the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... _p002_f001

The scale of suffering is indescribable. I don't know whether to cry or throw up.

As I went through the photos, I realized in most cases I couldn't tell whether the scenes showed which "side" the sufferers were on. It just looked like people until I read the captions.
I've felt that way the whole time whenever I've forced myself to view photos. I don't recognize uniforms and the profound takeaway is...it doesn't matter what uniform is being worn, what country we're from, what language we speak, or anything else...we all bleed. We're all human.

It's insanity.

It's a horrible waste of human life and potential. A waste of all sorts of resources. Kind of like what I said about Putin re: Ukraine. He's only proving he can turn stuff to crap and rule over the pile he made. Try as he might.

I'm good with throwing up.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:32 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:08 pm
I really enjoy it when you tear into a subject like this. It's always interesting to see what you find, and I always learn new stuff. Go get 'em!
Trust me you have no idea what it's like in my head right now :shock: . Historical matter, maps, political mechanisms, the underpinnings of the varying religious views involved, the blow by blow of the day and how it fits in and all this time I'm running prophecy in my head as a companion topic which also means not only examining Biblical covenants, prophecy, fulfillment, but also word translations in Hebrew, symbolism, and how the Jewish folks rely on the Old Testament but not completely, and if I ever wrap my head around the Quran I'll be doing good.

It's a jungle in this head right now. Several "tapes" running at the same time.

And with regard to to the religious/cultural matter, I firmly believe that if we don't understand the religious perspectives then we can't fully comprehend the primary motivations behind who is doing what to whom and why.

This war intersected another study I had started off on and so I shifted course.

I'm trying! Maybe if I can wrap my head around all the ingredients I can come up with a position or a coherent contribution or maybe...a cake! :lol:
Good luck with the Quran. I tried to read it after 9/11. In the version I bought, the chapters were arranged by length. I simply could not get a grasp on what it was saying.

Cake would be a win.
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The Post also ran an interesting article on the role of misinformation in the war. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... ial-media/

TL/DR Xitter is a wasteland. So is everything else.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:54 pm
And look who gave Iran the cash to do all this.
Repeating this lie still?

This wasn't "cash." It is an account of unfrozen funds in Qatar that can only be used for emergency/medical/humanitarian needs and not a single penny has been spent.
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