BumpI Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:35 pmCan’t you just quote the relevant part that supports your assertion?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:21 pm
Go to your App Store.
Download Deseret Bookshelf.
Open up app.
Do a search: Lucy Mack Smith.
Go to links as you link from her name.
Choose “History of Joseph Smith by His Mother”.
It’s free.
Go to Chapter 18.
It took me less than a minute to get there including the download to my iPad. I only had Deseret Bookshelf on my phone.
It’s better to read everything in context. That’s what is often frustrating here on this board. Folks want others to spoon feed them something that might be out of context. Context matters.
So then you have Doc and others complaining when source materials are linked to. They should be grateful.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
MG
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: If plates then God
The vision in which the Father and the Son appeared was in the Sacred Grove. We now refer to this as the First Vision.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:16 pm
MG - do you agree that the first vision occurred in Joseph’s bedroom and was just a solitary angel?
So, IHAQ, on a scale of 1to10 what do you think the likelihood is that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon on his own? Why?
1 being very likely and 10 being very unlikely.
And on a scale of 1to10 how important do you think the answer to the previous question is?
1 being very important and 10 being not important at all.
Do you believe that the title of this thread, “If Plates Then God” has a high correlation/connection to the answer of these two questions?
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Your source, Joseph’s mother, disagrees. Why don’t you believe her?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:35 pmThe vision in which the Father and the Son appeared was in the Sacred Grove. We now refer to this as the First Vision.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:16 pm
MG - do you agree that the first vision occurred in Joseph’s bedroom and was just a solitary angel?
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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You remind me of some of my students from years ago. Elementary students.
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Did you avoid providing them with answers too?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: If plates then God
BUMPI Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:35 pmCan’t you just quote the relevant part that supports your assertion?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:21 pm
Go to your App Store.
Download Deseret Bookshelf.
Open up app.
Do a search: Lucy Mack Smith.
Go to links as you link from her name.
Choose “History of Joseph Smith by His Mother”.
It’s free.
Go to Chapter 18.
It took me less than a minute to get there including the download to my iPad. I only had Deseret Bookshelf on my phone.
It’s better to read everything in context. That’s what is often frustrating here on this board. Folks want others to spoon feed them something that might be out of context. Context matters.
So then you have Doc and others complaining when source materials are linked to. They should be grateful.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: If plates then God
"and one might imagine" is an interesting way to say "based on no evidence."MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:22 pmThe primary temptation Joseph had to overcome when initially shown the plates was to squelch the impulse to use the plates as a source of gaining immediate wealth. This was one of the reasons he had to wait four years before he could be trusted to obtain the plates.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:05 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_l ... seph_Smith
It seems the promise of finding buried treasure, tales gold plates and visions came at a time when Joseph was well aware the family was broke and needed some income.
If you’ve done your reading assignment you will see that Joseph had tutoring sessions with Moroni in which he was given instructions and one might imagine some inkling(s) as to the historical narrative contained on the plates.
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MG
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Re: If plates then God
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... ngel%22%3FI Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:37 pmYour source, Joseph’s mother, disagrees. Why don’t you believe her?
This is a link to the FAIR site.
The answer to your concerns my be found within this link. This is the second reading assignment I’ve given to you.
Now, I’m looking forward to your answer of my two questions.
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MG
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Why don’t you believe Joseph’s mother?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:44 pmhttps://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... ngel%22%3FI Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:37 pmYour source, Joseph’s mother, disagrees. Why don’t you believe her?
This is a link to the FAIR site.
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: If plates then God
BUMPI Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:35 pmCan’t you just quote the relevant part that supports your assertion?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:21 pm
Go to your App Store.
Download Deseret Bookshelf.
Open up app.
Do a search: Lucy Mack Smith.
Go to links as you link from her name.
Choose “History of Joseph Smith by His Mother”.
It’s free.
Go to Chapter 18.
It took me less than a minute to get there including the download to my iPad. I only had Deseret Bookshelf on my phone.
It’s better to read everything in context. That’s what is often frustrating here on this board. Folks want others to spoon feed them something that might be out of context. Context matters.
So then you have Doc and others complaining when source materials are linked to. They should be grateful.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.