If plates then God

[MG 2.0]

You remind me of some of my students from years ago. Elementary students.

Regards,
MG

Did you avoid providing them with answers too?

Yes. They would read and then we would discuss.

Same with mathematics. Help them understand the concept, let them do the WORK, then discuss the answer(s).

Why are you being so recalcitrant? (I had some of those students…)

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Did you avoid providing them with answers too?

Yes. They would read and then we would discuss.

Same with mathematics. Help them understand the concept, let them do the WORK, then discuss the answer(s).

Why are you being so recalcitrant? (I had some of those students…)

Regards,
MG

Stop being a vacuous troll and start backing up your assertions. Or don’t.

[MG 2.0]

STONEWALLING

[MG 2.0]

MG - do you agree that the first vision occurred in Joseph’s bedroom and was just a solitary angel?

So, IHAQ, on a scale of 1to10 what do you think the likelihood is that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon on his own? Why?

1 being very likely and 10 being very unlikely.

And on a scale of 1to10 how important do you think the answer to the previous question is?

1 being very important and 10 being not important at all.

Do you believe that the title of this thread, “If Plates Then God” has a high correlation/connection to the answer of these two questions?

Regards,
MG

BUMP

[I Have Questions]

STONEWALLING

This started with a request for you to provide a quote to back up your assertion. You’ve avoided doing that. Stop being a child and provide the quote.

[MG 2.0]

IHAQ, you now have two reading assignments. Do your homework!

Regards,
MG

[tagriffy]

Interestingly enough, I just completed reading Earl M. Wunderli's An Imperfect Book: What the Book of Mormon Tells Us About Itself. He deals quite handily with Hebraisms and complex chiasms in chapter 7.

And then you have the counter:

https://scholarsarchive.BYU.edu/cgi/vie ... ntext=jbms

So the debate continues.

Regards,
MG

Really? You should probably actually read Wunderli before deciding which articles you want to throw in as counters. The major counterargument to Hebraisms Wunderli employs is the fact that all that stuff can be found in the KJV. This includes Hebrew parallelisms. So even if Cranney's argument and calculations are correct, all that is proven is that the use of Hebrew parallelisms is deliberate. If so, so what? Joseph could have easily picked up the use of parallelism from the Bible then employed it to give the Book of Mormon verisimilitude. Indeed, it is telling that Cranney himself refrained from concluding anything about authorship based on his study!

[MG 2.0]

STONEWALLING

This started with a request for you to provide a quote to back up your assertion. You’ve avoided doing that. Stop being a child and provide the quote.

Do your short reading assignment first little one.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

IHAQ, you now have two reading assignments. Do your homework!

Regards,
MG

Didn't think you would… <sigh> Okay, you’re out.

[MG 2.0]

And then you have the counter:

https://scholarsarchive.BYU.edu/cgi/vie ... ntext=jbms

So the debate continues.

Regards,
MG

Really? You should probably actually read Wunderli before deciding which articles you want to throw in as counters. The major counterargument to Hebraisms Wunderli employs is the fact that all that stuff can be found in the KJV. This includes Hebrew parallelisms. So even if Cranney's argument and calculations are correct, all that is proven is that the use of Hebrew parallelisms is deliberate. If so, so what? Joseph could have easily picked up the use of parallelism from the Bible then employed it to give the Book of Mormon verisimilitude. Indeed, it is telling that Cranney himself refrained from concluding anything about authorship based on his study!

Joseph Smith the sponge.

I realize that Chiasmus is not the ‘smoking gun’.

But the complexity of some of these ‘poetry’ sequences in the Book of Mormon is one more bullet point to add into the unlikelihood that Joseph Smith cobbled the Book of Mormon together on his own.

Regards,
MG