If plates then God

[MG 2.0]

The plates, the Book of Mormon, the restoration…that’s all peripheral to Jesus. It’s easy to lose sight of that at times.

for those who have entered in out of a sense of curiosity to get a better understanding of the alternative views in regards to “If plates, then God”.

Since it's peripheral to Jesus, what does it matter other than being a distraction?

It’s all connected. Without the angel and the plates we…millions of individuals over time…would belong to some other flavor of Christianity or other belief system. We would, according to our beliefs and doctrines, be lacking in some important areas…nature of God, Salvation, Jesus’s atonement, Priesthood, grace and works, etc., etc.

Jesus appearing to the boy prophet is at the core of everything.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Your biggest issue though is that atheists aren't your only critics, or even your most vocal critics…

They are becoming more and more prolific in their attacks on God and religion. Their appeals go more directly to those that are more scientifically inclined and/or those that have more exposure to various philosophical views, non traditional cultural viewpoints and practices, etc.

Sadly, they have nothing to offer other than final death and extinction.

Regards,
MG

[honorentheos]

Sadly, they have nothing to offer other than final death and extinction.

Regards,
MG

Forgive me, but your concept of hope is pretty narcissistic as it is entirely about your own immortality. Hope need not be grounded on such selfish ideas.

[Marcus]

Sadly, they have nothing to offer other than final death and extinction.

Regards,
MG

Forgive me, but your concept of hope is pretty narcissistic as it is entirely about your own immortality. Hope need not be grounded on such selfish ideas.

Not only that, the Mormon view of "hope", as Nelson recently reiterated, is one where he defines the way Mormons will be uplifted in immortality specifically in relation to how non-Mormons-especially those with Mormon family members!!- will be oppressed for all eternity. Who talks like that??

It's really quite creepy how much Nelson seems to relish his vision of how those who reject him will suffer. No wonder Mg thinks his disparagement of those who are different than him is acceptable. His leader has paved the way.

Mormons once had a slogan "families can be forever." Now, a more relevant slogan would be: "Mormons judge and separate families, for all eternity."

With the ominous corollary:
"family members who don't pay up will be missing certain ... parts when their body is resurrected."

[MG 2.0]

Forgive me, but your concept of hope is pretty narcissistic as it is entirely about your own immortality. Hope need not be grounded on such selfish ideas.

Not only that, the Mormon view of "hope", as Nelson recently reiterated, is one where he defines the way Mormons will be uplifted in immortality specifically in relation to how non-Mormons-especially those with Mormon family members!!- will be oppressed for all eternity. Who talks like that??

President Nelson did teach some hard truths (for some) this past General Conference.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng
or

https://www.ldsdaily.com/church-LDS/ful ... ence-talk/

As usual, it’s a good idea to take someone’s comments and interpretations and then use context as one tries to get at the roots of what the truth might be.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Sadly, they have nothing to offer other than final death and extinction.

Regards,
MG

Forgive me, but your concept of hope is pretty narcissistic as it is entirely about your own immortality. Hope need not be grounded on such selfish ideas.

The hope I have would be empty if not for the hope of being with family and those I love. And having that wish for everyone. To hope for a resurrection for all of mankind and each individual receiving a place in the mansions of the Father is the opposite of narcissism and/or selfishness.

The whole plan of happiness is based on love of others and desires to help others be all that they can be.

But you are correct in the sense that we work out our own salvation. Others are ultimately responsible for themselves.

I thought your answer in regards to what you might have to offer that might supersede the plan of salvation was interesting.

Integrity.

In a way one might think that could be self serving or narcissistic. Integrity might mean many different things. Some of them, depending on one’s own views as to what is right and what is wrong, could end up being self serving.

Moral relativism and integrity might at times be at odds with each other.

In your view I would think that integrity ultimately ends in death and extinction. The Plan of Salvation teaches that integrity will rise with us in the resurrection. A much more hopeful and beautiful outcome than annihilation.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Your biggest issue though is that atheists aren't your only critics, or even your most vocal critics…

They are becoming more and more prolific in their attacks on God and religion. Their appeals go more directly to those that are more scientifically inclined and/or those that have more exposure to various philosophical views, non traditional cultural viewpoints and practices, etc.

Sadly, they have nothing to offer other than final death and extinction.

Regards,
MG

Well-read my ass.

When we say that man chooses himself, we mean that each of us chooses himself, but we also mean that in choosing himself he chooses all men. In fact, for us there is no action that, in creating the human being we want to be, does not at the same time produce an image of the human being as we believe he should be. To choose to be this or that is at the same time to affirm the value of what we choose, for we can never choose the bad; what we choose is always the good, and nothing can be good for us without being so for all. If, on the other hand, existence precedes essence and we want to exist and form the image of ourselves at the same time, this image applies to all and to our entire epoch. Thus our responsibility is much greater than we can suppose, for it concerns all humanity.

- Sartre

- Doc

[Gadianton]

They are becoming more and more prolific in their attacks on God and religion

which had nothing to do with the point:

For the average person who believes Jesus is their savior, the more they believe in Jesus, the less they believe in the Book of Mormon.

CFR that atheists are becoming more prolific in their attacks on God and religion, but even if so, virtually everyone who is a monotheist views the Book of Mormon as heresy and outnumber atheists by a lot.

Try to stay with the point.

[Marcus]

President Nelson did teach some hard truths (for some) this past General Conference.

No, he didn't. He just emphasized the lack of christian belief in Mormon theology, and the intolerance.

Forgive me, but your concept of hope is pretty narcissistic as it is entirely about your own immortality. Hope need not be grounded on such selfish ideas.

The hope I have would be empty if not for the hope of being with family and those I love. And having that wish for everyone...

Everyone? No, you put the lie to that with your posts here, repeatedly and regularly.

And you really shouldn't keep telling others what they believe, all you are doing is reinforcing your reputation as ignorant and unread.

[MG 2.0]

They are becoming more and more prolific in their attacks on God and religion

which had nothing to do with the point:

For the average person who believes Jesus is their savior, the more they believe in Jesus, the less they believe in the Book of Mormon.

CFR that atheists are becoming more prolific in their attacks on God and religion, but even if so, virtually everyone who is a monotheist views the Book of Mormon as heresy and outnumber atheists by a lot.

https://atonce.com/blog/how-many-people-are-atheist

And the number of ‘nones’ as been exponentially increasing.

It is not surprising that many other Christians do not believe in the Book of Mormon as the word of God.

Regards,
MG