Chris Christie Entering the Primaries

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Ajax, what made me raise an eyebrow to your response is the idea that someone with a claimed ‘eternal perspective’ would make their voting decision for themselves and their peers, for leadership of this country, based on satisfying the petty revenge fantasies surrounding the children or relatives of the candidate in question.

You mean why not lie like Republicans expect? You're right -- Republicans want to be lied to endlessly and told a simplistic story about the villains of the left trying to ruin the common man and only a hero like Trump will defeat these forces, establish world peace, and send the economy to the moon.

You're right, he's certainly playing a contrarian hand by not lying to you, Ajax. And like a five-year-old, I'm sure it really pisses you off that he won't tell you exactly what you want to hear.

Where Christie makes sense from a tactical standpoint is that sometimes a niche market -- in this case the market for hearing his real opinions and not lies people like you demand he tell you -- can grow and become a significant market presence. You have several others running repeating the same lies you expect them to tell you, but since Trump established the brand of so brazenly telling these lies like nobody else can they don't differentiate themselves enough from what you've already got with Trump. The real question is why do the others expect to have a chance when they can't offer anything that Trump doesn't? While I agree it's a long-shot for Christie, his strategy is still the most sensible strategy out of all the non-Trump R's.

This is true.

What family members are you talking about? Hunter Biden?

My voting decision is based on the fact that I don't believe in communism or democratic socialism. It's immoral. I'm always going to vote and fight for the rights of the laborer. The welfare case has no right to the laborer's property. The welfare case only gets what the laborer chooses to give him.

[canpakes]

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Ajax, what made me raise an eyebrow to your response is the idea that someone with a claimed ‘eternal perspective’ would make their voting decision for themselves and their peers, for leadership of this country, based on satisfying the petty revenge fantasies surrounding the children or relatives of the candidate in question.

What family members are you talking about? Hunter Biden?

Sure. He qualifies under that description.

My voting decision is based on the fact that I don't believe in communism or democratic socialism. It's immoral.

Well, no worries there, I guess, as Bernie Sanders isn’t running.

But I also don’t see the ‘immorality’ of something like Social Security. If you’re active LDS then your faith is based on the Christian concept of assisting and supporting others, as far back as the Jewish principles of tzedakah that preceded this. And the intent is not that this is optional; rather, it’s a requirement. With that history, I don’t find the simple assertion of ‘it’s immoral ‘ as carrying much weight.

I'm always going to vote and fight for the rights of the laborer.

And ‘rights’ means what, specifically, as regards ‘the laborer’?

The welfare case has no right to the laborer's property. The welfare case only gets what the laborer chooses to give him.

As the laborer only gets what the master chooses to give him, perhaps. Including nothing other than the threat of starvation or death.

What is the difference?

[ajax18]

If you’re active LDS then your faith is based on the Christian concept of assisting

If a bum on the street approaches me for money, I hand him a business card to Randstadt temp agency. My bishop and stake president know how I feel about this and they have given me a current temple recommend. That's what church doctrine means to me right now. While a majority of people getting together and voting to take a chunk of a man's paycheck for themselves might make theft legal, it doesn't make it moral.

I'm not sure what you mean by voting for revenge on Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden is just a derilict garbage human being who unwittingly revealed undeniable evidence of the Biden family's long term corruption but even more the corruption in the federal government/deep state and their partisan political justice system.

[Moksha]

I'm always going to vote and fight for the rights of the laborer. The welfare case has no right to the laborer's property. The welfare case only gets what the laborer chooses to give him.

How does racial animus figure into the rights of the laborer? What about the conservative idea of dog eat dog?

[Gunnar]

I'm not sure what you mean by voting for revenge on Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden is just a derilict[sic] garbage human being who unwittingly revealed undeniable evidence of the Biden family's long term corruption but even more the corruption in the federal government/deep state and their partisan political justice system.

You're wrong. Despite their most desperate efforts, the Republicans have failed to come up with any unequivocal evidence whatsoever of "the Biden family's long term corruption." Their claims to the contrary have consistently been devastatingly and convincingly shot down by several Democrat Representatives, such as Goldman and Raskin, who are actually competent lawyers well-versed in the law.

The Republican's "clown show" investigations into Biden's alleged corruption (unlike the ongoing investigations and prosecutions involving Trump) are based not on any credible evidence, but on the desperate hope of finding some evidence they can use against Biden, even if they have to invent it themselves. Representative Comer, for example, came right out and admitted that their investigations into Biden are not based on any credible evidence against him that they have already found, but on the mere, desperate hope that they can somehow eventually find such evidence that will stick, no matter how long it takes. It is all nothing but vindictive retribution for daring to investigate Trump for his well-known and arguably unlawful efforts to deny and overturn a legitimate election than even his own appointees insist was fairly run and administered.

[Jersey Girl]

How did Christie do in the recent debate? Anyone watch it?

[Gunnar]

How did Christie do in the recent debate? Anyone watch it?

I watched most of it. Christie seemed to make more sense than most of the others.

[Kishkumen]

The welfare case only gets what the laborer chooses to give him.

A Christian through and through. Where was that in the scriptures again?

[Kishkumen]

I watched most of it. Christie seemed to make more sense than most of the others.

That’s why he’s getting no traction.

[Kishkumen]

You're wrong. Despite their most desperate efforts, the Republicans have failed to come up with any unequivocal evidence whatsoever of "the Biden family's long term corruption." Their claims to the contrary have consistently been devastatingly and convincingly shot down by several Democrat Representatives, such as Goldman and Raskin, who are actually competent lawyers well-versed in the law.

The Republican's "clown show" investigations into Biden's alleged corruption (unlike the ongoing investigations and prosecutions involving Trump) are based not on any credible evidence, but on the desperate hope of finding some evidence they can use against Biden, even if they have to invent it themselves. Representative Comer, for example, came right out and admitted that their investigations into Biden are not based on any credible evidence against him that they have already found, but on the mere, desperate hope that they can somehow eventually find such evidence that will stick, no matter how long it takes. It is all nothing but vindictive retribution for daring to investigate Trump for his well-known and arguably unlawful efforts to deny and overturn a legitimate election than even his own appointees insist was fairly run and administered.

This is what the two party system has resulted in. The Democrats tacked right, and the Republicans ran to embrace fascism instead meeting Democrats in the center. Once your competition steals your brand, you have to find a new approach. Embracing fascism was their solution.