Democrats like Bill Clinton were not as far left as Obama or Biden. They were also pushed toward the middle by a Republican congress.
Both of these guys' presidencies were/are those of status quo neo-liberal corporatists. They could have easily run on a Republican ticket in the late 80's.
The political leanings of Democrat presidents haven't changed as much as the Overton window has shifted, making it appear that they have changed.
Progressives and liberals (i.e. those that are actually progressive and/or liberal, and not the catch-all boogeyman term used in certain circles for anyone who isn't part of the John Birch Society) are generally not fans of Biden or Obama. Some of the harshest criticisms (at least those grounded in objective reality) that I've seen of the Biden administration have been from my handful of far-left friends.
Most of the powerful Democrat politicians are just status quo neo-liberal corporatists that dawn a Kente cloth on occasion for optics.
At least that's my opinion (*this space reserved for idiom about opinions, and balloon knots*)
Democrats like Bill Clinton were not as far left as Obama or Biden. They were also pushed toward the middle by a Republican congress.
Both of these guys' presidencies were/are those of status quo neo-liberal corporatists. They could have easily run on a Republican ticket in the late 80's.
The political leanings of Democrat presidents haven't changed as much as the Overton window has shifted, making it appear that they have changed.
Progressives and liberals (i.e. those that are actually progressive and/or liberal, and not the catch-all boogeyman term used in certain circles for anyone who isn't part of the John Birch Society) are generally not fans of Biden or Obama. Some of the harshest criticisms (at least those grounded in objective reality) that I've seen of the Biden administration have been from my handful of far-left friends.
Most of the powerful Democrat politicians are just status quo neo-liberal corporatists that dawn a Kente cloth on occasion for optics.
At least that's my opinion (*this space reserved for idiom about opinions, and balloon knots*)
If one compares the policies of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter with those of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, it is perfectly clear which party has experienced a radical move toward the extreme.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
If one compares the policies of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter with those of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, it is perfectly clear which party has experienced a radical move toward the extreme.
The presidential debates between Bush Sr., and Reagan -- particularly on undocumented immigrants, and the border -- are one of the most stark illustrations of how far things have shifted that I've stumbled upon in my internet boredom adventures. It's like two 2023-bleeding-heart-liberal-Democrats talking about the issue.
If one compares the policies of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter with those of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, it is perfectly clear which party has experienced a radical move toward the extreme.
The presidential debates between Bush Sr., and Reagan -- particularly on undocumented immigrants, and the border -- are one of the most stark illustrations of how far things have shifted that I've stumbled upon in my internet boredom adventures. It's like two 2023-bleeding-heart-liberal-Democrats talking about the issue.
GHWB and the lack of foresight in the early 80s is a big reason why illegal immigration has been allowed to explode to it's current level. Illegal immigration now costs taxpayers $451 billion/year. When we finally got a President willing to enforce the border, it was too late for the American people. Their country and their birthright had been given away to an invasion so numerous there was no longer a way to stop them democratically.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Illegal immigration now costs taxpayers $451 billion/year.
Please give a reference to a non-partisan data source backing up that very precise figure.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Compiled from federal and state records, media reports and other public information, the 50-page document outlines the taxpayer costs incurred in medical care, housing, education and other welfare benefits for tens of millions of migrants — to say nothing of the additional costs for law enforcement.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Compiled from federal and state records, media reports and other public information, the 50-page document outlines the taxpayer costs incurred in medical care, housing, education and other welfare benefits for tens of millions of migrants — to say nothing of the additional costs for law enforcement.
This is an interesting assessment but is partisan, and relies on a number of assumptions. If I’m reading it correctly, the figure you state is a ‘worst case’ scenario based on New York City’s latest reported expenditures and applied to all assumed immigrants regardless of state/city/town location within the US, and includes an assumed number of ‘gotaways’. Even the author gives the following caveat:
“Whether the total costs to cities and towns for caring for migrants is $451 billion or my most conservative estimate of more than $34 billion, …”
This is an interesting assessment but is partisan, and relies on a number of assumptions. If I’m reading it correctly, the figure you state is a ‘worst case’ scenario based on New York City’s latest reported expenditures and applied to all assumed immigrants regardless of state/city/town location within the US, and includes an assumed number of ‘gotaways’. Even the author gives the following caveat:
“Whether the total costs to cities and towns for caring for migrants is $451 billion or my most conservative estimate of more than $34 billion, …”
That’s quite a range.
I am grateful to ajax18 for providing a link to his source, as I requested.
It would have been preferable, however, if when he quoted this article he had made it clear that its author told his readers explicitly that he was only able to give a rather wide range for his estimates, rather than referring only to the highest figure given.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Compiled from federal and state records, media reports and other public information, the 50-page document outlines the taxpayer costs incurred in medical care, housing, education and other welfare benefits for tens of millions of migrants — to say nothing of the additional costs for law enforcement.
This is an interesting assessment but is partisan, and relies on a number of assumptions. If I’m reading it correctly, the figure you state is a ‘worst case’ scenario based on New York City’s latest reported expenditures and applied to all assumed immigrants regardless of state/city/town location within the US, and includes an assumed number of ‘gotaways’. Even the author gives the following caveat:
“Whether the total costs to cities and towns for caring for migrants is $451 billion or my most conservative estimate of more than $34 billion, …”
Whether illegal immigration costs the taxpayer $34 billion/year or more than likely $451 billion/year, it's clearly not a net benefit to legal American taxpayers. It's an enormous financial burden that most taxpayers do not believe they should be responsible for. But that doesn't matter when elected officials are free to just open the border and refuse to enforce the law.
Listen to these illegal immigrants chant his name. They know who is responsible for allowing this invasion.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
