‘A slap in the face’: LDS Relief Society leaders ordered off the stand

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:11 am
drumdude wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:17 pm
Expecting the church to be inclusive of women is like expecting Daniel Peterson to lose weight.
drumdude, not all of us on here are skinny. Do we have to get personal about people’s weight? I would appreciate it, as a man of some girth, if we could avoid body insults.
I don’t think pointing out the obvious is an insult. The man is objectively at an unhealthy weight, and his appearance has nothing to do with it.

Both the church being inclusive to women and Daniel losing weight would be objectively positive developments, but ones which require a sufficiently powerful external motivation to do so.

Essentially, “don’t hold your breath” waiting for them to happen on their own.
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:19 pm
I don’t think pointing out the obvious is an insult. The man is objectively at an unhealthy weight, and his appearance has nothing to do with it.

Both the church being inclusive to women and Daniel losing weight would be objectively positive developments, but ones which require a sufficiently powerful external motivation to do so.

Essentially, “don’t hold your breath” waiting for them to happen on their own.
Getting personal in that way is really unhelpful, and I don’t condone it.

I’ve stated my view.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:41 pm
drumdude wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:19 pm
I don’t think pointing out the obvious is an insult. The man is objectively at an unhealthy weight, and his appearance has nothing to do with it.

Both the church being inclusive to women and Daniel losing weight would be objectively positive developments, but ones which require a sufficiently powerful external motivation to do so.

Essentially, “don’t hold your breath” waiting for them to happen on their own.
Getting personal in that way is really unhelpful, and I don’t condone it.

I’ve stated my view.
I appreciate your view Kish, always do.
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Consig's got a live stream in progress on this right now.
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I’ve also heard that there was no GA-supplied letter for bishops to read to congregations. Rather, it was a top down order through stake presidents that each bishopric should prepare their own message and deliver it on the same Sunday. Cowardly area leadership.

Reports from one ward, where a friend of mine remains active, is that the second counselor read their message. One part mentioned some women may be upset about this change and he chuckled while reading it. “Minimized” was how I heard it described, and more than a few in that ward have written letters of complaint.

All the voices of dissent are being treated like their feedback is going into a suggestion box that no one in management will ever read, much less act upon.

Tribune article quotes church spokesman which makes it sound like this absolutely was sanctioned, if not ordered, by the FP.

Another of my wife’s friends, a “TBM,” messaged her after reading the SLTribune article. She is active while her husband isn’t. Said she is disgusted by and sick about the handling of this, and is going into a rabbit hole of her own. Shocking, coming from her.

I’ve written a number of times about the many signs that church leadership is following patterns of failing enterprises, based on contemporary research. This incident surely adds to the case. See viewtopic.php?p=2840697#p2840697
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:03 pm
I was curious if any Christian scholars agree with this?
The current academic consensus (based on the text, and the writings of early Church fathers) is that Junia was an apostle, and a woman.
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Modern members of the Church of Jesus Christ in Salt Lake City need to read and reread the play Yentl.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:15 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:03 pm
I was curious if any Christian scholars agree with this?
The current academic consensus (based on the text, and the writings of early Church fathers) is that Junia was an apostle, and a woman.
Daniel McClellan pretty much nails the coffin shut on whether Junia was an apostle and a woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2-uAAoJ3Zc
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:03 am
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:15 pm
The current academic consensus (based on the text, and the writings of early Church fathers) is that Junia was an apostle, and a woman.
Daniel McClellan pretty much nails the coffin shut on whether Junia was an apostle and a woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2-uAAoJ3Zc
Not to worry, Mormonism is an "ongoing restoration." Women apostles coming soon, perhaps by 2677 A.D.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:11 am
drumdude wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:17 pm
Expecting the church to be inclusive of women is like expecting Daniel Peterson to lose weight.
drumdude, not all of us on here are skinny. Do we have to get personal about people’s weight? I would appreciate it, as a man of some girth, if we could avoid body insults.
You’re not fit? But, you looked great in those Potter films? :?:
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