‘A slap in the face’: LDS Relief Society leaders ordered off the stand

[Morley]

This is the latest in a long line of behaviors that convinces me that TSCC is the modern incarnation of the Pharisees.

I find myself unable to find a meaning for the letters TSCC.

the so-called church

[Marcus]

I find myself unable to find a meaning for the letters TSCC.

the so-called church

I never thought that was a polite acronym, until i read the latest used on the exmo reddit.

"MFMC" (read as MF-ing M Church)

TSCC is downright wholesome compared to that.

[Rivendale]

the so-called church

I never thought that was a polite acronym, until i read the latest used on the exmo reddit.

"MFMC" (read as MF-ing M Church)

TSCC is downright wholesome compared to that.

BIDWT didn't age well.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

The so called church.

[Dr Moore]

Highly recommend this article, which outlines a compelling common thread between women being ordered off the stand in sacrament meeting and csa coverups. The problem, at the root, is cowardly local leaders refusing to stand up to senior leaders when asked to do things which are harmful or wrong, or both.

https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/ ... obedience/

[yellowstone123]

Thanks Dr. Moore. Very interesting. I can think of two things: 1) If 16 men were involved the attorneys need to subpoena each one and during questioning find out what their day job is; 2 for those who have state laws shielding the Bishop et al, the attorneys need to stay away from state court and file it in federal court perhaps in violating the child’s civil rights. The church could be a defendant and the perpetrator could be the defendant.

[Dr. Shades]

Highly recommend this article, which outlines a compelling common thread between women being ordered off the stand in sacrament meeting and csa coverups. The problem, at the root, is cowardly local leaders refusing to stand up to senior leaders when asked to do things which are harmful or wrong, or both.

https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/ ... obedience/

Yet the author refuses to quit attending a church she knows full well acts in precisely this manner.

She's supporting the dysfunction just as fully as the local leadership she decries.

[Marcus]

Highly recommend this article, which outlines a compelling common thread between women being ordered off the stand in sacrament meeting and csa coverups. The problem, at the root, is cowardly local leaders refusing to stand up to senior leaders when asked to do things which are harmful or wrong, or both.

https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/ ... obedience/

I agree with your definition of the problem. What I don't agree with, with regard to the article in your link, is that it is the problem of LDS men.

A few thoughts about material from the link:

..Let me say this clearly for all priesthood holders to hear, you can’t open doors for women unless you stand up for us first...

I don't understand why LDS women aren't opening the doors for themselves.

...But, gentlemen, if you participate in carrying out a policy of silence in the face of physical or sexual abuse of a child (or a spouse), you warrant a millstone about your neck. I don’t know how the many men who learned of the sexual abuse going on within their Arizona congregational boundaries can live with themselves...

I agree, but I would add in the Relief society presidents, bishop's wives, members of ward council, etc. who participated in this silence. I don't know how they live with themselves either.

...No woman wants to need men to protect us from more harmful men, but that is the situation that is forced on LDS women...

No it's not. It's a situation they accept. If an LDS woman needs to be protected from more harmful men, why does she stay in a situation where she gives those men permission to harm her?

...My dear brothers, please be different. Change is needed and you know it. That change is your responsibility. If women could enact the change, it would’ve happened decades ago...

This one really hurts. My thoughts are that women also should step away from harm. Don't blame others who don't fix the harm while you voluntarily submit yourself to it. I understand full well how hard it is to advocate for oneself as an LDS woman, but this article is sending an incredibly damaging message--that women must submit, and that only men can fix it.

...Losing your title is an honor when it means you’ve done the right thing. It’s your task to exchange the millstones that have hung around the necks of too many LDS men for the milestones of progress we can all celebrate. I, for one, refuse you a pass...

Likewise, losing one's title of obedient LDS woman is also "an honor when it means you’ve done the right thing."

If this author refuses to give Mormon men a pass for this, they should also refuse to give Mormon women a pass for this.

Unfortunately, the entire article seems to be premised on the idea that LDS women are acted upon and can't control what happens to them, and only LDS men can change the situation, because the women must accept their place and must submit to whatever situation Mormon men place them in.

It horrifies me to read that some Mormon women feel that they have no other options than to implore the men they voluntarily submit to, to please, please please! treat them less badly.

But this is inexcusable:

...Unfortunately it’s common for local LDS leaders to forfeit their moral compass to someone in a position above their own. This is counted unto local, male leaders as righteousness, but how can it be righteous for a man to make a decision he knows is wrong, or, in some cases, potentially evil?...

let's expand this into some semblance of reality:

...Unfortunately it’s common for local LDS leaders [both men and women,] to forfeit their moral compass to someone in a position above their own. This is counted unto local, male [and female] leaders as righteousness, but how can it be righteous for a man [or for a woman] to make a decision he [or she] knows is wrong, or, in some cases, potentially evil?

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Eta: final point. Here's how LDS women are referred to in the article:

...the powerless...

That is heartbreakingly sad to read.