What is Gravity?

[Res Ipsa]

Fundamental truth indeed.

Give me Swiss, or give me death.

Heretic!!!

[Valo]

Yes. Life is a game, a play. We are all play acting.

Most people don't acknowledge that they are putting on a mask so can't comprehend when someone without one shows up.

The worst are those who wear masks for themselves.

I think there are far worse. Perhaps far worse are those who craft masks so as to blend in, so they might take advantage.

But the ones in denial can do some pretty awful stuff too.

We have to be able to exist at multiple levels, so to speak. It makes no sense to deny fundamental human needs and desires and pretend they do not influence our interactions with others.

Carl Jung, I want to read
A passage from one of his lectures
Which I think is
One of the greatest things he ever wrote
And which has been a very marvelous thing for me...
People forget
That even doctors have moral scruples
And that certain patients' confessions
Are hard even for a doctor to swallow
Yet the patient does not feel himself accepted
Unless the very worst of him is accepted too

No one could bring this about by mere words
It comes only through reflection
And through the doctor’s attitude towards himself
And of his own dark side
If the doctor wants to guide another or even accompany him a step of the way
He must feel with that person's psyche
When he passes judgment...

Whether he puts his judgements into words or keeps them to himself
Makes not the slightest difference
To take the opposite position
And to agree with the patient offhand is also of no use
Feeling comes only through unprejudiced objectivity
This sounds almost like a scientific precept
And it could be confused with a purely intellectual abstract attitude of mind
But what I mean is something quite different
It is a human quality
A kind of deep respect for the facts
For the man who suffers from them
And for the riddle of such a man's life

The truly religious person has this attitude
He knows that God has brought
All sorts of strange and inconceivable things to pass
And seeks in the most curious ways to enter a man’s heart
He therefore senses
In everything the unseen presence of the divine will

Accepted Too

[honorentheos]

Appropriate you mention Jung.

WHAT IS CARL JUNG’S SHADOW?
With a better understanding of the id and the ego, we can better understand the concept of the shadow.

Jung explained that the shadow is a cognitive blind spot of our psyche, an undercurrent of who we are that we’re completely unaware of; it’s an element of our own nature that exists in our unconscious and is made from our repressed desire, ideas, instincts, weaknesses, and shortcomings.

It’s the gap between the ego and the id. More specifically, the shadow is caused by the resistance that comes from the differences in the life our ego consciously has us live to fit into the world around us and the behavior our id draws us towards.

Jung described the shadow as “the thing a person has no wish to be.”

An easy way to check the nature of our shadow is to look at others and find out the qualities you like the least.

These are often qualities you dislike in yourself and push down or avoid—this is called projection and can lead us to have a warped perception of the people around us.

While we may not like what we see when we begin to look at our shadow, it’s exploration is important for personal development.

[Valo]

Appropriate you mention Jung.

WHAT IS CARL JUNG’S SHADOW?
With a better understanding of the id and the ego, we can better understand the concept of the shadow.

Jung explained that the shadow is a cognitive blind spot of our psyche, an undercurrent of who we are that we’re completely unaware of; it’s an element of our own nature that exists in our unconscious and is made from our repressed desire, ideas, instincts, weaknesses, and shortcomings.

It’s the gap between the ego and the id. More specifically, the shadow is caused by the resistance that comes from the differences in the life our ego consciously has us live to fit into the world around us and the behavior our id draws us towards.

Jung described the shadow as “the thing a person has no wish to be.”

An easy way to check the nature of our shadow is to look at others and find out the qualities you like the least.

These are often qualities you dislike in yourself and push down or avoid—this is called projection and can lead us to have a warped perception of the people around us.

While we may not like what we see when we begin to look at our shadow, it’s exploration is important for personal development.

I didn't just mention Carl Jung, I introduced the "dark side" or the "shadow" in to the conversation. Just a matter of record.

You've now elucidated more on the topic. Thank you. Indeed, before one begins to judge another, regardless of how horrendous one might perceive the other to be, if the person who is doing the judging, is aiming for truly good, then before they can judge another they must first have come to an awareness of their own darkside and to have integrated their own darkside (which is not suppression or anything goes) and then they must take the time and through introspection to truly understand the person they are trying to judge. They must judge without prejudice and with a deep respect for the facts and the human being judged.

Otherwise it isn't for good. And if it isn't for good, it is for evil.

[honorentheos]

Appropriate you mention Jung.

WHAT IS CARL JUNG’S SHADOW?
With a better understanding of the id and the ego, we can better understand the concept of the shadow.

Jung explained that the shadow is a cognitive blind spot of our psyche, an undercurrent of who we are that we’re completely unaware of; it’s an element of our own nature that exists in our unconscious and is made from our repressed desire, ideas, instincts, weaknesses, and shortcomings.

It’s the gap between the ego and the id. More specifically, the shadow is caused by the resistance that comes from the differences in the life our ego consciously has us live to fit into the world around us and the behavior our id draws us towards.

Jung described the shadow as “the thing a person has no wish to be.”

An easy way to check the nature of our shadow is to look at others and find out the qualities you like the least.

These are often qualities you dislike in yourself and push down or avoid—this is called projection and can lead us to have a warped perception of the people around us.

While we may not like what we see when we begin to look at our shadow, it’s exploration is important for personal development.

I didn't just mention Carl Jung, I introduced the "dark side" or the "shadow" in to the conversation. Just a matter of record.

You've now elucidated more on the topic. Thank you. Indeed, before one begins to judge another, regardless of how horrendous one might perceive the other to be, if the person who is doing the judging, is aiming for truly good, then before they can judge another they must first have come to an awareness of their own darkside and to have integrated their own darkside (which is not suppression or anything goes) and then they must take the time and through introspection to truly understand the person they are trying to judge. They must judge without prejudice and with a deep respect for the facts and the human being judged.

Otherwise it isn't for good. And if it isn't for good, it is for evil.

That's not what Jung meant by the shadow.

[Valo]

I didn't just mention Carl Jung, I introduced the "dark side" or the "shadow" in to the conversation. Just a matter of record.

You've now elucidated more on the topic. Thank you. Indeed, before one begins to judge another, regardless of how horrendous one might perceive the other to be, if the person who is doing the judging, is aiming for truly good, then before they can judge another they must first have come to an awareness of their own darkside and to have integrated their own darkside (which is not suppression or anything goes) and then they must take the time and through introspection to truly understand the person they are trying to judge. They must judge without prejudice and with a deep respect for the facts and the human being judged.

Otherwise it isn't for good. And if it isn't for good, it is for evil.

That's not what Jung meant by the shadow.

Yes it is.

[Valo]

Carl Jung

People forget
That even doctors have moral scruples
And that certain patients' confessions
Are hard even for a doctor to swallow
Yet the patient does not feel himself accepted
Unless the very worst of him is accepted too

No one could bring this about by mere words
It comes only through reflection
And through the doctor’s attitude towards himself
And of his own dark side
If the doctor wants to guide another or even accompany him a step of the way
He must feel with that person's psyche
When he passes judgment...

Whether he puts his judgements into words or keeps them to himself
Makes not the slightest difference
To take the opposite position
And to agree with the patient offhand is also of no use
Feeling comes only through unprejudiced objectivity
This sounds almost like a scientific precept
And it could be confused with a purely intellectual abstract attitude of mind
But what I mean is something quite different
It is a human quality
A kind of deep respect for the facts
For the man who suffers from them
And for the riddle of such a man's life

The truly religious person has this attitude
He knows that God has brought
All sorts of strange and inconceivable things to pass
And seeks in the most curious ways to enter a man’s heart
He therefore senses
In everything the unseen presence of the divine will

The Wolf

[Valo]

I didn't just mention Carl Jung, I introduced the "dark side" or the "shadow" in to the conversation. Just a matter of record.

You've now elucidated more on the topic. Thank you. Indeed, before one begins to judge another, regardless of how horrendous one might perceive the other to be, if the person who is doing the judging, is aiming for truly good, then before they can judge another they must first have come to an awareness of their own darkside and to have integrated their own darkside (which is not suppression or anything goes) and then they must take the time and through introspection to truly understand the person they are trying to judge. They must judge without prejudice and with a deep respect for the facts and the human being judged.

Otherwise it isn't for good. And if it isn't for good, it is for evil.

That's not what Jung meant by the shadow.

We cannot change anything, unless we accept it
We cannot change anything, unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
We cannot change anything, unless we accept it

Condemnation does not liberate
It oppresses and I am the oppressor of the person I condemn
Not his friend and fellow sufferer
Fellow sufferer
I do not in the least mean to say that we must never pass judgment
When we desire to help and improve
But if the doctor wishes to help a human being
He must be able to accept him as he is
And he can do this in reality
Only when he has already seen
And accepted himself as he is
As he is
Perhaps this sounds very simple
But simple things are always the most difficult
In actual life
It requires the greatest art to be simple
And so acceptance of one's self is the essence of the moral problem
And the acid test of one's whole outlook on life

[Chorus]
We cannot change anything, unless we accept it
We cannot change anything, unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
We cannot change anything, unless we accept it

That I feed the beggar
That I forgive an insult
That I love my enemy in the name of Christ
All these are undoubtedly great virtues
What I do unto the least of my brethren
That I do unto Christ
But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all
The poorest of all beggars
The most impudent of all offenders
Ye, the very fiend himself
That these are within me
And that I myself stand in need of the arms of my own kindness
That I myself am the enemy who must be loved
What then?
Then, as a rule the whole truth of Christianity is reversed
There is then no more talk of love and long suffering
We say to the brother within us, “Raca”
And condemn and rage against ourselves
We hide him from the world
We deny ever having met this least among the lowly in ourselves
And had it been God himself who drew near to us in this despicable form
We should have denied him a thousand times
Before a single cock had crowed

[Chorus]
We cannot change anything unless we accept it
We cannot change anything unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
We cannot change anything unless we accept it

[Chorus]
We cannot change anything unless we accept it
We cannot change anything unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
Unless we accept it
We cannot change anything unless we accept it

Anything Too

[Valo]

"Healing may be called," Jung says
"A religious problem
In the sphere of social or national relations
The state of suffering may be civil war
And this state is to be cured by the Christian virtue
Of forgiveness and love of one's enemies
That which we recommend
With the conviction of good Christians
Is applicable to external situations
We must also apply inwardly in the treatment of neurosis
This is why modern man has heard enough about guilt and sin
He is sorely beset by his own bad conscience
And wants rather to know

[Chorus]
How he is to reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother
To reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother

The modern man does not want to know in what way he can imitate Christ
But in what way he can live his own individual life
However meager and uninteresting it may be
It is because every form of imitation
Seems to him deadening and sterile
That he rebels against the force of tradition that would hold him to well-trodden ways
All such roads for him lead in the wrong direction
He may not know it
But he behaves as if his own individual life
Were God's special will which must be fulfilled at all costs
This is the source of his egoism
Which is one of the most tangible evils of the neurotic state
But the person who tells him he is too egoistic
Has already lost his confidence
And rightfully so
For that person has driven him still further into this neurosis

[Chorus]
How he is to reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother
To reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother

If I wish to affect the cure for my patients
I am forced to acknowledge the deep significance of their egoism
I should be blind indeed
If I did not recognize it as a true will of God
I must even help the patient to prevail in his egoism
If he succeeds in this, he estranges himself from other people
He drives them away
And they come to themselves as they should
For they were seeking to rob him of his sacred egoism
This must be left to him for it is his strongest and healthiest power
It is, as I have said, a true will of God
Which sometimes drives him into complete isolation
However wretched this state may be
It also stands him in good stead
For in this way alone, can he get to know himself
And learn what an invaluable treasure
Is the love of his fellow beings?
It is, moreover only in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness
That we experience the helpful powers
Of our own natures

[Chorus]
How he is to reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf with his brother
To reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother

[Chorus]
To reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother
To his reconcile himself with his own nature
How he is to love the enemy in his own heart
And call the wolf his brother

When one has several times seen this development at work
One can no longer deny that what was evil
Is turned to good
And that what seemed good
Has kept alive the forces of evil
The arch demon of egoism
Leads us along the royal road to that in gathering
Which religious experience demands
What we observe here is a fundamental law of life: enantiodromia
Or, conversion into the opposite
And it is this that makes possible the reunion of the warring halves of the personality
And thereby brings the civil war to an end"
End of quote

https://youtu.be/SaiBuCtCrt0?si=X_bDiorwMMpd5DgX

[Valo]

The Shadow

One of the very great things that C.G. Jung contributed to mankind's understanding
Was the concept of the shadow
That everybody has a shadow
And that the main task of the psychotherapist is to do what he called, “to integrate the evil”
To as it were, put the devil in us in its proper function
’Cause you see it's always the devil
The unacknowledged one
The outcast, the scapegoat
The bastard, the bad guy, you see the black sheep of the family
It's always from that point
Which we could call the fly in the ointment, you see
That generation comes
In other words, the same way as in the drama
To have the play it’s necessary to introduce a villain
It's necessary to introduce a certain element of trouble
So, in the whole scheme of life, there has to be the shadow

[Chorus]
The shadow
The bastard, the bad guy, the black sheep of the family
The shadow
Integrate the evil
Integrate the evil
The shadow
The bastard, the bad guy, the black sheep of the family
The shadow
Everybody has a shadow
Because without the shadow there can't be the substance

So, this is why
There is a very strange association between
Crime and all naughty things and holiness
You see holiness is way beyond being good
Good people aren't necessarily holy people
A holy person is one who's whole
Who has as it were reconciled his opposites
And so there's always something slightly scary about holy people
And other people react to them in very strange ways
They can't make up their minds whether they're saints or devils
So holy people have throughout history
Always created a great deal of trouble
Along with their creative results
Take Jesus for example
The trouble that Jesus created is absolutely incalculable
Think of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the… heaven only knows
What’s gone on in the name of Jesus
Freud is a big troublemaker, as well as a great healer, you see it all goes together

[Chorus]
The shadow
The bastard, the bad guy, the black sheep of the family
The shadow
Integrate the evil
Integrate the evil
The shadow
The bastard, the bad guy, the black sheep of the family
The shadow
Everybody has a shadow
Because without the shadow there can’t be the substance

So, the holy person is scary
Because he is like the earthquakes, or better still he's like the ocean
See, the ocean on a lovely sunny day you can say, "Oh isn’t that gorgeous?
And you can go into it, and relax, and float around
But boy when the storm comes, does that thing get mad, terrifying
So, there is in us the ocean, you see?
And Jung felt that the whole point was to bring the two together
By a kind of fantastic honesty
To penetrate one's own motivations to the depths