Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

[Morley]

IHQ, it’s not a matter of ‘running away’. It’s a matter of time allocation. When I’m present I create controversy and friction. Without meaning to in most instances. For my own mental health and well being it’s better that I don’t succumb to the constant feeling/compunction to answer all of the questions and potential conflicts that come my way.

As you and others know, within the social media space (which I consider this to be one among many) there are those that feel as though they need/have to check their feeds constantly. Or at least fairly often. I don’t like doing that because then it starts to feel more or less like an addiction to some extent.

When I come here off and on I usually see the same ‘players’ that are right here ready to roll. That’s not my thing. Coming in every once once in a while gives me opportunities to focus on other things besides what’s going on in ‘Mormon world’.

So don’t take it personally or as any kind of slam. If I can see that I’ve been drawn deeply into a discussion and it’s literally been going on for two or three weeks, it’s time for me to excuse myself. Not because I’m bailing out, although you might see it that way. As it is, the discussion has gone on and I’ve been doing other things the last few days without even looking at the remainder of the thread.

Good for you, my friend. This is always a wise approach.

[I Have Questions]

IHQ, it’s not a matter of ‘running away’. It’s a matter of time allocation. When I’m present I create controversy and friction. Without meaning to in most instances. For my own mental health and well being it’s better that I don’t succumb to the constant feeling/compunction to answer all of the questions and potential conflicts that come my way.

Do you ever feel bad about the negative impact that you had on grindael? Or is it always just all about you?

[Marcus]

Why does MG always run away?

IHQ, it’s not a matter of ‘running away’. It’s a matter of time allocation. When I’m present I create controversy and friction. Without meaning to in most instances. For my own mental health and well being it’s better that I don’t succumb to the constant feeling/compunction to answer all of the questions and potential conflicts that come my way.

As you and others know, within the social media space (which I consider this to be one among many) there are those that feel as though they need/have to check their feeds constantly. Or at least fairly often. I don’t like doing that because then it starts to feel more or less like an addiction to some extent.

When I come here off and on I usually see the same ‘players’ that are right here ready to roll. That’s not my thing. Coming in every once once in a while gives me opportunities to focus on other things besides what’s going on in ‘Mormon world’.

So don’t take it personally or as any kind of slam. If I can see that I’ve been drawn deeply into a discussion and it’s literally been going on for two or three weeks, it’s time for me to excuse myself. Not because I’m bailing out, although you might see it that way. As it is, the discussion has gone on and I’ve been doing other things the last few days without even looking at the remainder of the thread.

I like to go for months without going on to this social media/board site. It is what it is. I’m finding this to be a much better modus operandi for me. Back in the day I spent way too much time here over weeks and sometimes months. I mentioned a while back that this can’t/won’t be the case for me anymore.

If you respond to this post, or others do, I won’t respond and be drawn back into any discussion. I’ve been more than accommodating to most questions during this thread and others but I find that after a couple or three weeks I’m ready to go on to other things.

I hope you can understand without looking at me harshly.

Until another time.

Take care,
MG

I'm getting this strong feeling of deja vu.... Oh yes! From page 42, some 25 pages back...

LOL! Such a lack of self-awareness. It's a hot topic for the same reason that any thread you get involved in is a hot topic. You can't seem to stop making more and more absurd claims on the fly. Then people naturally respond. If you don't want it to be a hot topic, just walk away. If you can.

Notice that none of your claims is prefaced by: this is what Mormons believe. Or even even "this is what I believe. You are telling every reader of the board what you claim is objective truth.

Here's some truth to chew on:

You don't have a say in what other people need to know and understand.

You don't have a say in whom other people need to trust.

You don't have a say in how important trust in your Gods are to other people.

You don't have a say in what "it all comes down to" for other people.

You don't have a say in whether people should "move on."

But this is a perfect illustration of how you make derogatory remarks about others in that classic Mormon culture passive aggressive style. There is absolutely nothing amazing about people wanting to spend time discussing an issue that they are interested in. It's a silly rhetorical move that says "the fact that you keep objecting the obvious truth of my claim means there is something wrong with you." Your personal incredulity about other people's decisions about how much to participate in a discussion has no relevance whatsoever to the topic being discussed. It's a cheap ploy to close off discussion.

It's the same with your "move on" comment. You actually can't accept the fact that people see the world differently than you do, including deciding for themselves what to talk about and what not to talk about. So, you imply that everyone else's interest in discussion is somehow unreasonable or abnormal.

You do this constantly. Threads in which you participate are literally riddled with your "processs comments," with which you try to control what others post. Commonly, you do this as what you might imagine is some kind of clever zinger at the end of a post. The subtext is always "I know the real truth and if you disagree there is something wrong with you."

If you sincerely believed your whole "I'm okay, you're okay," schtick, you wouldn't do that. You could communicate what you believe without putting others down for their beliefs.

So why can't you?

[Gadianton]

The algorithm recommended a Jordan Peterson clip the other day. I could kick myself for not predicting this; should have seen it coming. Okay, go back in time a few weeks, and I saw a clip of his arguing for free will. His is a nuanced belief and evades the main point, of course. You can't be a psychologist without contradicting MG-style free will. But, he heartily defends a version of free will that allows us to take responsibility for our actions and be real men. I should have immediately spotted a contradiction with his other theories (he's a big pseudo-postmodernist much of the time), but I missed it. So this other clip comes my way, it's from a debate with this atheist guy, Matt Dillahunty (I just looked for it and can't find it; maybe search again later; on second thought it could have been someone else).

At some point, JP got pissed off at something someone in the audience said, and he began addressing the audience, telling them that they aren't rational; that psychology proves that we are not rational. Ah, the conundrum: he can't have a bunch of atheists sitting back, weighing the evidence, and leaving God on the table of their own free will, somehow, they must be collectively deluded; a product of external factors.