Even LDS apologists are confused about LGBT church policy

[drumdude]

https://youtu.be/6vEZV4IbnWM

It’s a simple question; does the church consider gay married Mormons to be in apostasy? The LDS apologist says he doesn’t know.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/04/70998837 ... lgbt-membe

Apparently the whiplash of a 2015 policy saying they were, and a 2019 reversal saying they aren’t has left even LDS apologists in a confused daze.

This could explain the current fiasco where bishops seem to have no direction about what to do with gay Mormons. Is this confusion intentional? The church leaders want to hide the true doctrine like they did with polygamy and reinstate it when the political/social situation in the world allows for it?

[Tapir Rodeo]

https://youtu.be/6vEZV4IbnWM

It’s a simple question; does the church consider gay married Mormons to be in apostasy? The LDS apologist says he doesn’t know.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/04/70998837 ... lgbt-membe

Apparently the whiplash of a 2015 policy saying they were, and a 2019 reversal saying they aren’t has left even LDS apologists in a confused daze.

This could explain the current fiasco where bishops seem to have no direction about what to do with gay Mormons. Is this confusion intentional? The church leaders want to hide the true doctrine like they did with polygamy and reinstate it when the political/social situation in the world allows for it?

The LDS apologist in this video is named Travis Anderson. He is good buddies with Robert Boylan. He runs a Facebook page called "The Cavalry." It's a group for current Mormon missionaries to learn how to do mopologetics. He regularly engages in rhetorical ignorance to try to get his interlocutor to prove something is LDS doctrine or to avoid an uncomfortable topic with the goal of dominating a conversation. Anderson is vehemently anti-homosexual in his own writings and he claims the church is too but in this video he is just playing a game. He said in The Cavalry group his goal for engaging with these Evangelicals was to make sure they could spend as little time as possible talking to other Mormons. There is a longer version of this video which Anderson recorded himself. He loses his temper at the end and calls the Evangelical guys "goobers."

Anderson also tells the Missionaries in "The Cavalry" not to tell church leaders about the group. The reason he gives is because he, Boylan, and the others running the group are more educated about the church than the Bishops or missionary presidents so they don't want to end up at odds with other priesthood holders. Its strange.

[Gadianton]

I wonder if they really are confused. The way to find out is to ask that Boylan guy who gets brought up what he thinks the policy is. If the other apologists don't disagree, you have your answer.

[Philo Sofee]

https://youtu.be/6vEZV4IbnWM

It’s a simple question; does the church consider gay married Mormons to be in apostasy? The LDS apologist says he doesn’t know.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/04/70998837 ... lgbt-membe

Apparently the whiplash of a 2015 policy saying they were, and a 2019 reversal saying they aren’t has left even LDS apologists in a confused daze.

This could explain the current fiasco where bishops seem to have no direction about what to do with gay Mormons. Is this confusion intentional? The church leaders want to hide the true doctrine like they did with polygamy and reinstate it when the political/social situation in the world allows for it?

The LDS apologist in this video is named Travis Anderson. He is good buddies with Robert Boylan. He runs a Facebook page called "The Cavalry." It's a group for current Mormon missionaries to learn how to do mopologetics. He regularly engages in rhetorical ignorance to try to get his interlocutor to prove something is LDS doctrine or to avoid an uncomfortable topic with the goal of dominating a conversation. Anderson is vehemently anti-homosexual in his own writings and he claims the church is too but in this video he is just playing a game. He said in The Cavalry group his goal for engaging with these Evangelicals was to make sure they could spend as little time as possible talking to other Mormons. There is a longer version of this video which Anderson recorded himself. He loses his temper at the end and calls the Evangelical guys "goobers."

Anderson also tells the Missionaries in "The Cavalry" not to tell church leaders about the group. The reason he gives is because he, Boylan, and the others running the group are more educated about the church than the Bishops or missionary presidents so they don't want to end up at odds with other priesthood holders. Its strange.

Goobers eh? Try this on for size:

In the land of green Jell-O and casseroles galore,
The Mormons laugh quietly behind every door.
They watch the Evangelicals with a smile that's quite wide,
For calling them goobers, oh what a wild ride!
"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties,
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!"

The Evangelicals, they prance and they preach,
With their fire and brimstone, they sure like to teach.
Mormons chuckle softly at the showy display,
"Goobers, you say? Well, bless your sweet day!"
They swap tales of meetings that last all night,
Grinning at goobers with a twinkle, pure delight.

[Moksha]

The embracing of hateful ideas in the main conclave and the public line to not seem like haters can be two separate things. A policy for internal Saints' consumption and a policy to deceive the gentiles.

[Dr. Shades]

In the land of green Jell-O and casseroles galore,
The Mormons laugh quietly behind every door.
They watch the Evangelicals with a smile that's quite wide,
For calling them goobers, oh what a wild ride!
"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties,
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!"

The Evangelicals, they prance and they preach,
With their fire and brimstone, they sure like to teach.
Mormons chuckle softly at the showy display,
"Goobers, you say? Well, bless your sweet day!"
They swap tales of meetings that last all night,
Grinning at goobers with a twinkle, pure delight.

The meter is way off.

Prior to posting a poem, please read it out loud to yourself. Then fix the places that don't match up.

[Marcus]

In the land of green Jell-O and casseroles galore,
The Mormons laugh quietly behind every door.
They watch the Evangelicals with a smile that's quite wide,
For calling them goobers, oh what a wild ride!
"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties,
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!"

The Evangelicals, they prance and they preach,
With their fire and brimstone, they sure like to teach.
Mormons chuckle softly at the showy display,
"Goobers, you say? Well, bless your sweet day!"
They swap tales of meetings that last all night,
Grinning at goobers with a twinkle, pure delight.

The meter is way off.

Prior to posting a poem, please read it out loud to yourself. Then fix the places that don't match up.

I thought it read fine. Maybe your meter is off.

[Dr. Shades]

The meter is way off.

Prior to posting a poem, please read it out loud to yourself. Then fix the places that don't match up.

I thought it read fine. Maybe your meter is off.

No, my meter is not off. Here's the proof:

The poem apparently attempts to be written in anapestic tetrameter, which is two unstressed syllables followed by a stressed syllable, four times per line. With a dash as an unstressed syllable and an asterisk as a stressed one, each line should read like this: --*--*--*--* (as in, "'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house"). Let's read it out loud and see what we get:

In the land of green Jell-O and casseroles galore, --*--*--*---* (extraneous unstressed syllable in the final anapest)
The Mormons laugh quietly behind every door. -*--*---*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest; extraneous unstressed syllable in the third anapest)
They watch the Evangelicals with a smile that's quite wide, -*-***----*--* (butchered to Hell, only the final anapest is correctly metered)
For calling them goobers, oh what a wild ride! -*--*--*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest)
"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties, -*--*--*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest)
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!" --*-**-*--* (completely screwed up second and third anapest)

The Evangelicals, they prance and they preach, -***---*--* (again, butchered to Hell, with only the final anapest correctly metered)
With their fire and brimstone, they sure like to teach. --*-**-*--* (again, screwed up second and third anapest)
Mormons chuckle softly at the showy display, --*-*---*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the second anapest, extraneous one in the third)
"Goobers, you say? Well, bless your sweet day!" *--*-*--* (TWO missing unstressed syllables in the first anapest, with a single missing one in the third)
They swap tales of meetings that last all night, -*--*--*-* (first and last anapests each missing an unstressed syllable)
Grinning at goobers with a twinkle, pure delight. *--*---*-*-* (butchered beyond recognition)

You may have "thought it read fine," but that's only because you merely skimmed it in your head. You didn't read it out loud with your voice. Try doing the latter, then tell me my meter is off.

[Marcus]

I thought it read fine. Maybe your meter is off.

No, my meter is not off. Here's the proof:

The poem apparently attempts to be written in anapestic tetrameter, which is two unstressed syllables followed by a stressed syllable, four times per line. With a dash as an unstressed syllable and an asterisk as a stressed one, each line should read like this: --*--*--*--* (as in, "'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house"). Let's read it out loud and see what we get:

In the land of green Jell-O and casseroles galore, --*--*--*---* (extraneous unstressed syllable in the final anapest)
The Mormons laugh quietly behind every door. -*--*---*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest; extraneous unstressed syllable in the third anapest)
They watch the Evangelicals with a smile that's quite wide, -*-***----*--* (butchered to Hell, only the final anapest is correctly metered)
For calling them goobers, oh what a wild ride! -*--*--*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest)
"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties, -*--*--*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the first anapest)
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!" --*-**-*--* (completely screwed up second and third anapest)

The Evangelicals, they prance and they preach, -***---*--* (again, butchered to Hell, with only the final anapest correctly metered)
With their fire and brimstone, they sure like to teach. --*-**-*--* (again, screwed up second and third anapest)
Mormons chuckle softly at the showy display, --*-*---*--* (missing unstressed syllable in the second anapest, extraneous one in the third)
"Goobers, you say? Well, bless your sweet day!" *--*-*--* (TWO missing unstressed syllables in the first anapest, with a single missing one in the third)
They swap tales of meetings that last all night, -*--*--*-* (first and last anapests each missing an unstressed syllable)
Grinning at goobers with a twinkle, pure delight. *--*---*-*-* (butchered beyond recognition)

You may have "thought it read fine," but that's only because you merely skimmed it in your head. You didn't read it out loud with your voice. Try doing the latter, then tell me my meter is off.

You would be wrong in thinking you know what other people do.

I repeat, "maybe your meter is off."

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

In the land of the Jell-O and casseroles grand,
The Mormons, they laugh with a soft, gentle hand.
They watch the Evangelicals with grins so wide,
For calling them goobers, oh what a fun ride!

"These folks think we're odd with our temples and ties,
But their hallelujahs? Oh, what a surprise!"
The Evangelicals prance and they preach to the skies,
With fire and brimstone and very loud cries.

Mormons chuckle and whisper at the grand, showy play,
"Goobers, you call us? Well, bless you today!"
They share tales of meetings that last the whole night,
And grin at the goobers with pure, sweet delight.

- ChatGPT4