Does character still matter in politics?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The head of the Heritage Foundation threatened violence if the US doesn’t roll over for his “bloodless revolution.”

Does his divisiveness earn Ceeboo’s condemnation?

- Doc

[Dr Exiled]

I don't think your fears are reasonable because we saw what a Trump administration was and can extrapolate what a second administration would be. There is no evidence other than hyperbole and unsubstantiated conjecture as to the parade of horribles you fear. I think it comes from Trump's war stance. He doesn't want war and the uniparty wants it because their campaign contributors on Wall Street make a lot of money doing it and Aipac wants to resurrect what supposed King David supposedly controlled, and just think of all those juicy assets Russia has for our billionaires to exploit, like they were doing in the 90's ...

Further, remember how the supposed radical justices abandoned their supposed supreme leader when he was complaining about the 2020 election. Maybe they aren't so much in the wannabe supreme leader's pocket? Sure they gave immunity to presidents and that includes the devil president we had to endure, but believe it or not, the SC looks thirty or so years ahead with their decisions and looks to where we've been and then decides the cases they take. We cannot have someone like Trump looking to put Biden or Obama in jeopardy for actions they took while in office.

I think you are incredibly naïve, and it doesn't seem to matter to you what others say, because you proceed to ignore it. You just repeat the same nonsense about how the last Trump administration wasn't so bad, etc.

Listen, on the SC thing, please don't be so dumb. The fact of the matter is that presidential immunity was never a problem until our SC let Trump make it an issue. The Constitution provides the president no immunity from criminal prosecution. The SC snapped to to make sure Trump was on the ballot when states acted on the plain language of the Constitution to remove him. They essentially stitched together threads of crap to make up an immunity that does not exist, and they took their sweet time doing it, because they wanted to make sure, once again, that Trump was able to run.

It is not like the system had nothing to stop Trump. It is rather the case that the SC worked it out so that Trump would not be hindered by those protections. Sure they weren't bleeding obvious about it, but the results are clear. They made sure he could be on the ballot right away. They made sure, by taking their sweet time and deciding they could not judge what his official acts necessarily are, that he could not be tried for his criminal acts before the election.

It is really remarkable to me how foolish and easily bamboozled some people are.

Yep.

[Dr Exiled]

There is no evidence other than hyperbole and unsubstantiated conjecture as to the parade of horribles you fear. I think it comes from Trump's war stance. He doesn't want war and the uniparty wants it because their campaign contributors on Wall Street

No, Trump going all in abusing every option and breaking any law to repay a chance at an election steal. That's the number 1 thing people are worried about. Trump's supposed anti-war stance (was he anti-war when he suggested invading Mexico?) is also a problem, but it's not entirely because he's anti-war. You have to start with his reasoning for being anti-war. For instance, the fact he wants NATO to up their game is a justifiable concern and a legit reason to be anti-war. The fact that he didn't want to help Ukraine because Zelensky refused to fabricate evidence against the Bidens is not a legitimate reason to be anti-war. The fact his self-esteem is so low that he doesn't want to lose Putin's praise is not a legitimate reason to be anti-war. Even worse, the fact that his Christian nationalist base have embraced Putin as a patriarchal anti-woke folk hero is not a good reason to be anti-war.

I'm not voting for him. I like Kennedy, but, I think there is an anti-war bent among most of the population, as always, and the Democrats are both feet and all other body parts in to pushing war. You try to delegitimize Trump's anti-war stance, but, whatever got him to it is welcome. He's a circus barker but the war machine needs to be stopped. The war in Ukraine needs to stop. Russia has nuclear weapons (you may have forgotten that) and resolving Ukraine needs to be top of the list, regardless of what Wall Street/Blackrock wants.

By the way, what hat will you be eating, or do you still believe that Putin blew up his own pipeline when he could have just shut off the gas at his end without the unnecessary complicated action?

[Kishkumen]

Yep.

Hey, you’re the conspiracy theorist who “likes Kennedy.”

[Kishkumen]

I'm not voting for him. I like Kennedy, but, I think there is an anti-war bent among most of the population, as always, and the Democrats are both feet and all other body parts in to pushing war. You try to delegitimize Trump's anti-war stance, but, whatever got him to it is welcome. He's a circus barker but the war machine needs to be stopped. The war in Ukraine needs to stop. Russia has nuclear weapons (you may have forgotten that) and resolving Ukraine needs to be top of the list, regardless of what Wall Street/Blackrock wants.

By the way, what hat will you be eating, or do you still believe that Putin blew up his own pipeline when he could have just shut off the gas at his end without the unnecessary complicated action?

Trump has no anti-war stance. He has an anti-reality stance.

[Dwight]

Ha, Trump is going to stop the war in Ukraine by making them roll over. Then once Putin can he'll be eyeing other former iron curtain countries.

[Gadianton]

The head of the Heritage Foundation threatened violence if the US doesn’t roll over for his “bloodless revolution.”

Does his divisiveness earn Ceeboo’s condemnation?

- Doc

You've been reading a lot of theory lately, so explain this one to me. So here is Ceeboo, a legitimately nice guy who is completely sold on alt-right Trump world. How does this happen? What is Trump world? As you point out, Trump world may start with the Heritage president who is also the architect of 2025, who recently implied that we are on the verge of a second revolution, where the alt-right will take over the United States completely, and that bloodshed will only be needed if the right were for some reason, unable to secure this victory peacefully. Trump still does the things Trump does that Ceeboo apparently doesn't notice, like re-'truth' a meme calling for the arrest and military trial of Liz Cheney. Kari Lake is still in legal proceedings fighting for her lie about winning the AZ gov. election, following Trump play-by-play. The title of Kishkumen's post is a much bigger deal than all of these things we're blowing out of proportion, of course. We've got the 10 Commandments going up in public schools, oh wait, in one state, it's only an 8 commandment monument proposed. Wait, huh? A Christian finally noticed that "thou shalt not bear false witness" and "thou shalt not make unto me any graven images" aren't appropriate for the Trump era. We need idols of Trump, and we need Trump to lie as much as possible, right Ceeboo? Other big MAGA lights in the House regularly share the stage with Nazi Nick Fuentes, one of Trump's good buddies recently lost it in a podcast and threatened all Democrats that he's going to F* them in the A*. Not a big deal compared to Kishkumen, of course. It's crazy, because that's a major violation of Leviticus, which the second revolution eventually needs to bring about as the law of all the land. Sodomy and a whole slew of offences are dealt with by stoning. Joel Webbon, one of the rising stars of Trump Pasterdom increasingly claims to have billionaire backing of the same variety backing Heritage and other major right-wing outlets. He's also tight with the Oklahoma governor and right-wing senate. These are folks of real character, I tell you. Are there any Republicans with any character? Because those on the table for character are thrown under the bus quickly for being RINOs. If you aren't outrageous, you aren't a republican.

A few months ago, in Louisiana, where the 10 commandments now must be displayed in class (at least it's all ten and lying is technically a sin there still!), a few months ago, a principle stripped a female student of all her honors and awards for a phone video that hit social media showing her dancing at a party. She was also giving Bible verses to study. This was a public school of course. She didn't take it laying down, and soon enough public outrage surfaced that she was reinstated and the principle stepped down for the school year. That won't happen once project 2025 is secure. I mean, the principle won't be stepping down. While the war was going on, another video surfaced of the principle's assistant dancing to a rap song with explicit lyrics. All these Christian Nazi's are total perverts outside of their stage life.

The most mind-bending controversy of the last few days is this:

https://slate.com/life/2024/07/hawk-tua ... aning.html

If you want to know what it means to be a Republican today, a Republican who is not in danger of being called a RINO by other Republicans, then this article is massively important to understand.

I learned about the young content creator by the algorithm yesterday. This young lady went to instant alt-right stardom after she was approached for a street interview. Long story short, Laura Loomer has attacked this young woman for disavowing Donald Trump. Basically, the young lady was on a podcast and asked if she would spit on Donald Trump's dick before sucking it, and she and her friend were grossed out. Should a military tribunal be held for her now, Ceeboo? What will be her fate?

[Gadianton]

My latest theory of Ajax-land is; I blame A.I.. The part about the algorithm feeding partisanship for profit is a concern, but never did it for me. There is this other problem of A.I., more fundamental to what A.I. actually is. In order to stay ahead of A.I., in order to "outsmart it" so to speak, human language must transform faster than it can be predicted.

[Markk]

This thread and the interview in it covers the topic well, in my opinion.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=155911

For those who need a summary: Newt Gingrich.

And yet here our friend ceeboo is telling me my thread is the problem.

To summarize the Millbank interview:

Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove pioneered no holds barred attack-style politics where you lie about your opponent, calling them a traitor, and investigate them on baseless charges endlessly. All you are out to do is rile up the base to get them to support you.

And, they are still at it. Gingrich, Rove, Roger Stone: lying, bullying, attacking free and fair elections. Gutter politics.

Hell, Roger Stone looks like some 12-year-old’s idea of a Bond villain. Dude’s a total creeper.

But my thread is the problem. Not that we have these amoral psychos vandalizing our politics.

You can go back as far as you like and dig out dirt and immorality. JFK was elected basically by the mob (They gave him Illinois)....most had mistresses, we can go back and forth and try to nail immorality and dishonest tactics on a political party forever.

Clinton was sticking a cigar in a young intern's vagina in the White House and Trump was screwing porn stars and grabbing it, what is worse? How did all presidents become rich of a 300K or less a year salary, by having good character?...they all lie. Maybe the most honest President in my lifetime was Carter, and if he lied more he might have been an effective leader, I guess? .....sadly it is how it works, but in-order to deal with liars they have to be liars.

in my opinion, just like with Mormonism as an example of many I could chose from, the difference today, for the very very most part is that our closets are open because of the internet and social media. You have billions of people on a planet with a camera and audio exposing our true natures and even if they are wrong can click it around the world in a second.

To say that Gingrich, Rove or any one in modern times are pioneers of corruption and bad behavior is just delusional. Hamilton was busted and his mistress wanted $1000 in hush money. One pro-slavery member of congress beat the crap out of another one on the senate floor and almost killed them.

[huckelberry]

To say that Gingrich, Rove or any one in modern times are pioneers of corruption and bad behavior is just delusional. Hamilton was busted and his mistress wanted $1000 in hush money. One pro slavery member of congress beat the crap out of another one on the senate floor and almost killed them.

So it's shrug your shoulders, whatever.