Biden needs to step aside

[Morley]

I randomly sampled a half dozen of your links, Doc. None were urging Biden to quit. All, however, were gloating over the Democrat’s dilemma. Maybe I’m missing something?

[Kishkumen]

Like I said before that how we ended up with these two is really sad. DeSantis was my top pick with Halley as VP. I don’t think DeSantis would have treated Biden like Trump did. I just went to Twitter/X - search and put in Biden or Trump and kept refreshing “latest” and saw quickly how things went down hill. If Kennedy from West Virginia and Sinema from Arizona ran and my two favorites ran it would be tough. I also think my candidates may be called to jump back in based on how the Supreme Court rules on Trump which may be their last case released this year. As to Biden, I think it’s clear Biden is not running things and they need a viable candidate. I can’t even predict the next few month as our country is so divided. In the end it’s not really the candidate but his or her machine he or she brings in. It’s the department Secretary or undersecretary and on that really runs things.

Out of curiosity, yellowstone123, are you a Christian conservative?

[Kishkumen]

I randomly sampled a half dozen of your links, Doc. None were urging Biden to quit. All, however, were gloating over the Democrat’s dilemma. Maybe I’m missing something?

Thanks, Morley. Maybe the intense discussion of the dilemma in itself represents pressure to force a decision that is unfavorable to Biden?

[Kishkumen]

Pete Buttigieg would have mopped the floor with Trump. Trump issued a non-stop barrage of lies and Buttigieg would have that covered.

Mayor Pete mops the floor with any opponent. Dude is incredible.

[Jersey Girl]

Pete Buttigieg would have mopped the floor with Trump. Trump issued a non-stop barrage of lies and Buttigieg would have that covered.

Mayor Pete mops the floor with any opponent. Dude is incredible.

He's smart as a whip, quick to retrieve facts, and smooth as butter in his presentation.

[Morley]

I randomly sampled a half dozen of your links, Doc. None were urging Biden to quit. All, however, were gloating over the Democrat’s dilemma. Maybe I’m missing something?

Thanks, Morley. Maybe the intense discussion of the dilemma in itself represents pressure to force a decision that is unfavorable to Biden?

At this point, I’m not sure there’s any decision he could make that would be favorable.

If he were going to step back and let someone else run, it’s getting harder for that to be a viable alternative with each additional day that he waits. The time may already have passed.

“F” the kind of hubris that makes this course of events seemingly inevitable.

[Kishkumen]

At this point, I’m not sure there’s any decision he could make that would be favorable.

If he were going to step back and let someone else run, it’s getting harder for that to be a viable alternative with each additional day that he waits. The time may already have passed.

“F” the kind of hubris that makes this course of events seemingly inevitable.

Can you elaborate on the last point, please?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Reddit:

Fox News posts 40 articles in 3 days urging Democrats to remove Biden from the race. Why are Republicans so desperately begging for Biden to quit?

Because it will divide the rival party at both the political and grassroots levels and they hope to pick up crossover voters by making the DP look weaker than their candidate. Because chaos making is their only hope. And they learned it from their Dear Leader.

Did I get close?

Sounds right.

Noam Chomsky’s view of it is that the media isn’t just about giving us the news, but about shaping it to fit what the billionaires want - for obvious reasons. It’s not outright censorship, but more about subtle nudges that shape what we see and think. In a nutshell, they argue that the media helps keep the rich and powerful on top by controlling the narrative.

If they want Trump, it’ll be fairly straightforward in the narrative that’s being pushed by their outlets.

That sounds right, too.

- Doc

[honorentheos]

Thanks, Morley. Maybe the intense discussion of the dilemma in itself represents pressure to force a decision that is unfavorable to Biden?

At this point, I’m not sure there’s any decision he could make that would be favorable.

If he were going to step back and let someone else run, it’s getting harder for that to be a viable alternative with each additional day that he waits. The time may already have passed.

“F” the kind of hubris that makes this course of events seemingly inevitable.

I think this year's primary process was opaque rather than transparent, and it did both parties dirty. Many folks share the blame for this but it strikes me how critical the messy, sometimes unpleasant but necessary disagreements and conflict are to democracy. Not hot, ajax sploosh fantasy conflict mind you. But we require debate and the conflict between ideas and positions to find the kinds of consensus and compromise that are the better outcomes possible.

So I'm stuck on the question now of if that can be accelerated without shaking the whole thing apart? I don't know, and it seems less likely than not. But I also don't want to discount two factors. First, the younger generation of voters is the first demographic block in size that has the numbers to dilute the influence of the Baby Boomer block that has defined American politics for most of my lifetime. And second, people who won't vote for Trump are almost certain to vote for anyone other than Trump.

I don't know. It's a crappy situation for sure. But I'm coming around to the idea that we need to have the conflict as quickly and openly as possible if there is any hope not only for November but also the next four years. So much can go wrong, quick buying decisions leave folks unaware of what they are entirely getting, and the change in administration is more of a concern for me than is change in President.

ETA: To clarify, I impulsively feel that the calls to replace Biden are almost certainly reactionary at present and would lead to disaster in November. But I also am circling the concern that blind support for Biden undermines the process enough that it could justly be seen as alienating voters who don't feel good about him. Right now, if I could influence things I think Biden being open to challenge and engagement with the party might be the healthiest way to rally folks behind him if that is justifiable. I'm increasingly concerned that the long-term consequences of this years election are disillusionment with democracy that will influence the largest generation of voters who will shape what our country becomes for another fifty-plus years after this.

[Kishkumen]

I like what you have to say about an open process, honor. I don’t think we will get it, and I think it is too late, anyway. The complicated logistics of the process of selecting a presidential candidate, along with the strictures on campaign finances, may preclude the possibility of making a switch this late in the game. I don’t know if that is true in Harris’ case. Maybe as part of the ticket she could be thrown in the #1 spot.

In any case, open conflict would have been good months ago. Now all chaos or apparent chaos helps the GOP, it seems to me.