It depends. People who wanted Biden out will be happy with him, while people who wanted Biden in will be pissed. Either way, he won't suffer because he isn't running for office and is enjoying a comfortable retirement.
So what you're saying is that a highly educated former president, the first Black president, with JD from Harvard Law School, a BA from Columbia U, former Civil Rights Attorney, US Senator with an above average IQ (based on observation) would risk being discovered as part of a coup for a possible dopamine hit, putting his legacy at risk, because he isn't running for office and he's enjoying a comfortable retirement with his wife who is a woman of color with a JD from Harvard Law School, a BA from Princeton in which he and his family would be subject to ongoing harassment for the rest of their lives with a high probability of bodily harm or death?
He won't endure either ongoing harassment or a high probability of bodily harm or death. He won't even undergo an infinitesimally miniscule probability of harassment, bodily harm, or death.
Because he wanted Biden out in the hopes that this country would see it's first female woman of color president?
No, because he wants to see his political party win the Presidency. Or perhaps wants to maximize the odds that Donald Trump loses.
Either way, he had no idea this would be made public (assuming there's any truth to it), so it's not like he voluntarily subjected himself to the doom-and-gloom scenarios you describe or anything. People do lots of strange things when they don't envision being caught, do they not?
You'll have to ask him, not me.
He's not a member of this board to which I've posed questions. You are.
Okay. Please give me a few minutes to dig out my crystal ball and read his mind.
The call for invoking the 25th Amendment has to come from the President's cabinet.
That’s why Obama told Biden that Harris had agreed to its invocation.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
I genuinely doubt Obama said those words. We know Democrat leadership was speaking with Biden and being pretty direct about their concerns. He almost certainly was pressured as we also know this directly from their own statements.
This "official" with fundraising experience who happens to know Obama came in with the strongarm play threatening Biden with the 25th amendment?
That looks like the age old trick of slipping a lie in after a series of truths. Limbaugh was a master of this.
It is a convenient narrative that reframes Biden as incapable and weak, Obama as the head of some mastermind cabal pulling the strings of the Democrat party, and it uses sneaky phrasing and quotes to imply things like Pelosi and Schumer gave their thumbs up for Obama to "have a chat with grandpa".
I find that if you don't believe a narrative you don't like hard enough, it becomes false to you, regardless.
How is that relevant to the topic of this thread?
How does your statement even make sense?
If you don't believe something "hard enough" then it's already false to you, Exiled. Geez.
You immediately doubt the Hersch story because it doesn't fit your Biden's leaving as patriotic narrative. It's simply too early to cast so much doubt on what Hersch reports. Biden was campaigning in Las Vegas right before this supposed patriotic moment. Sure, he could have had a sudden change of heart after seeing the flag or something. Or the donors cutting off funding, pressure from other insiders combined with Obama giving a reluctant Biden a forceful push in the other way could be what really happened.
Anyway, the hero narrative is seductive and safe. So, obviously believe what you want.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
If you don't believe something "hard enough" then it's already false to you, Exiled. Geez.
You immediately doubt the Hersch story because it doesn't fit your Biden's leaving as patriotic narrative. It's simply too early to cast so much doubt on what Hersch reports. Biden was campaigning in Las Vegas right before this supposed patriotic moment. Sure, he could have had a sudden change of heart after seeing the flag or something. Or the donors cutting off funding, pressure from other insiders combined with Obama giving a reluctant Biden a forceful push in the other way could be what really happened.
Anyway, the hero narrative is seductive and safe. So, obviously believe what you want.
It's too early to cast doubt on Hersh's comments from a source he describes as an official with fundraising experience?
You sure you understand how skepticism is actually supposed to work rather than being the fall back for conspiracy minded folks?
You immediately doubt the Hersch story because it doesn't fit your Biden's leaving as patriotic narrative. It's simply too early to cast so much doubt on what Hersch reports. Biden was campaigning in Las Vegas right before this supposed patriotic moment. Sure, he could have had a sudden change of heart after seeing the flag or something. Or the donors cutting off funding, pressure from other insiders combined with Obama giving a reluctant Biden a forceful push in the other way could be what really happened.
Anyway, the hero narrative is seductive and safe. So, obviously believe what you want.
It's too early to cast doubt on Hersh's comments from a source he describes as an official with fundraising experience?
You sure you understand how skepticism is actually supposed to work rather than being the fall back for conspiracy minded folks?
Sure I do. Talk to the person from New Jersey about this. She was the one that immediately denied the Hersch report because it didn't fit her heroic narrative.
But, yes, anyone that disagrees with you is somehow in that favorite derogatory category of yours - conspiracy theorist. Maybe you don't know how skeptisim works when confronted with a narrative that must be supported? There shouldn't be any narrative that is beyond questioning, right? Even the Biden hero narrative, where he looked at the constitution he always keeps on his pocket or whatever and then made the heroic decision to step back .... for democracy ...
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
Obama, Biden's long time friend and respected political ally, reached out to him after several weeks of Biden being relentlessly pressured to step down from a whole host of people. They had an earnest conversation and Biden finally came to the conclusion that it was the right thing to do for the party and the future of America. Obama could have been deeply empathetic, taken a similar slant to me saying "it doesn't matter if you and I believe you can do it, the people don't" or the conversation could have been much harder and brutal... but the point remains, an actual 25th amendment threat isn't even remotely necessary for the results to look the same.
We can argue about whether the pressure was fair or right, whether it was right to do this post primary, or if Harris should have been the de facto choice for Democrats. But all of those questions can still exist in a universe where Hersh's narrative is incorrect.
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