Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

[drumdude]

https://youtu.be/Ajkx-jzx5p8

Dan has another rehash too. I made it half way and gave up waiting for him to get to Mezoamerica.

[Rivendale]

https://youtu.be/Ajkx-jzx5p8

Dan has another rehash too. I made it half way and gave up waiting for him to get to Mezoamerica.

He lost me at the epistle of John.

[drumdude]

https://youtu.be/Ajkx-jzx5p8

Dan has another rehash too. I made it half way and gave up waiting for him to get to Mezoamerica.

He lost me at the epistle of John.

DCP loves to make analogies to courtrooms. That the evidence for Mormonism is strong enough to convince a jury.

Imagine a murder case where the attorney spends half their argument talking about something completely different as a way to frame and bolster the weak evidence to come.

I think a jury would see right through it.

[MG 2.0]

I am in agreement with what the A.I. reference said.

Regards,
MG

That seems like a bit of a drive-by post. The point of the board is after all to discuss these things.

If there’s something new or interesting in the video then that’s worth discussing but if it’s just the same old arguments, then are they really worth rehashing?

We’re all interested in your views, not some A.I.!

I’ve expressed mine over the years. My point in ‘driving by’ was to put another apologetic voice out there for those that may not have been familiar with Jacob Hansen. He’s young and up coming and some of the younger lurkers on this board may ‘connect’ with him and his approach to various issues including the Book of Mormon.

I’m not expecting that anything he has to say would have any real impact/influence on those that are already ‘settled’ in their views of secular humanism or disbelief in the divine. But there are those that remain open to avenues of thought that support faith and hope in a divine creator that communicates with His sons and daughters and takes an interest in a created world that has real purpose and meaning beyond the here and now.

That message is obviously not going to appeal to everyone.

Jacob Hansen seems to be a seeker of truth while at the same time listening to the views of others. Younger people would/will find that fresh and appealing, I think.

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

A counterpoint:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... nd_why_is/

If you're familiar with Jacob, you know how awful he can be. But his most popular video on his YouTube page "Can we go on like this?" takes Mormon bigotry to a whole new level.

In the nearly 30 minute video, Jacob rants and raves about how awful trans people are and how horrible members who support the LGBT community are. His main gripe is that the church isn't bigoted enough. He wants the heretical members hunted down and excommunicated. He wants LGBT people purged from the rolls unless they "straighten up", so to speak.

This is a very dangerous person passing off his hate as Christlike love.

This is in addition to the forum discovering a number of falsehoods in his apologetics. I haven’t seen the video but I would be surprised if the summary is far from the mark.

[I Have Questions]

He lost me at the epistle of John.

DCP loves to make analogies to courtrooms. That the evidence for Mormonism is strong enough to convince a jury.

Imagine a murder case where the attorney spends half their argument talking about something completely different as a way to frame and bolster the weak evidence to come.

I think a jury would see right through it.

The evidence for Mormonism is presented to a “jury” every single day of every single week. An overwhelming majority remain unconvinced and come down against it. They’ve been coming down against it in vast numbers for two hundred years. Why is it so unconvincing? Are the people putting the evidence forward (missionaries, apostles, apologists) inadequate? Or is the evidence simply unconvincing? Both?

[I Have Questions]

A counterpoint:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... nd_why_is/

If you're familiar with Jacob, you know how awful he can be. But his most popular video on his YouTube page "Can we go on like this?" takes Mormon bigotry to a whole new level.

In the nearly 30 minute video, Jacob rants and raves about how awful trans people are and how horrible members who support the LGBT community are. His main gripe is that the church isn't bigoted enough. He wants the heretical members hunted down and excommunicated. He wants LGBT people purged from the rolls unless they "straighten up", so to speak.

This is a very dangerous person passing off his hate as Christlike love.

This is in addition to the forum discovering a number of falsehoods in his apologetics. I haven’t seen the video but I would be surprised if the summary is far from the mark.

MG 2.0 likes him, thinks Hansen is great. Maybe MG 2.0 agrees with Hansen’s expressed views about gay and transgender people? He’s certainly keen on promoting Hansen.

Of course, I could be wrong and MG 2.0 could make a post condemning Hansen for his abhorrent views…

[MG 2.0]

DCP loves to make analogies to courtrooms. That the evidence for Mormonism is strong enough to convince a jury.

Imagine a murder case where the attorney spends half their argument talking about something completely different as a way to frame and bolster the weak evidence to come.

I think a jury would see right through it.

The evidence for Mormonism is presented to a “jury” every single day of every single week. An overwhelming majority remain unconvinced and come down against it. They’ve been coming down against it in vast numbers for two hundred years. Why is it so unconvincing? Are the people putting the evidence forward (missionaries, apostles, apologists) inadequate? Or is the evidence simply unconvincing? Both?

At the end of the day I think it becomes a matter of individual seeking and understanding. For some that path will lead in one direction. For some it will lead along another path.

There is such a thing as bad apologetics and good apologetics. Some folks may find themselves in today’s world unable or unwilling to discern the difference. And it’s not always easy.

For a good definition of apologetics and the different paths that it can lead one along to I would suggest a recent video put out by Jacob Hansen:

https://youtu.be/Vu2W0TbCwXQ?si=u8x24a_bn3V4eXs6

Regards,
MG

[Moksha]

I am in agreement with what the A.I. reference said.

Regards,
MG

Once the A.I. has spoken the thinking has been done.

[MG 2.0]

A counterpoint:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... nd_why_is/

This is in addition to the forum discovering a number of falsehoods in his apologetics. I haven’t seen the video but I would be surprised if the summary is far from the mark.

MG 2.0 likes him, thinks Hansen is great. Maybe MG 2.0 agrees with Hansen’s expressed views about gay and transgender people? He’s certainly keen on promoting Hansen.

Of course, I could be wrong and MG 2.0 could make a post condemning Hansen for his abhorrent views…

From your source:

In the nearly 30 minute video, Jacob rants and raves about how awful trans people are and how horrible members who support the LGBT community are. His main gripe is that the church isn't bigoted enough. He wants the heretical members hunted down and excommunicated. He wants LGBT people purged from the rolls unless they "straighten up", so to speak.

I watched Hansen’s video on this topic when it first came out. This message that you are promoting was not what was being ‘preached’ by Jacob Hansen. I’ve rewatched the video. In it Jacob expresses confusion (based on what leaders have said) and is asking or clarification in regards to what is being promulgated and taught in certain circles and venues within the church. He also repeatedly said that he does not have all the answers.

He IS asking the church for clarification on a complex and difficult topic that is of great concern to an increasing number of members of the church.

It’s interesting how folks can interpret and see what they want to see and often make something into what it is not. I’m a personal witness to this fact. It’s happened to me on this board many times. That’s why I come and go. It becomes rather tiresome to be misinterpreted and set up for ‘a fall’.

The person on Reddit had it all wrong. And you took it hook, line, and sinker without actually listening to what Jacob actually said.

Sigh…

Regards,
MG