Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

[Gadianton]

Thanks for posting your doctrinal positions without watering it down, Ceeboo.

So, MG, this is exactly what I've been talking about. You start these threads and complain about the impossible divide between believers and non-believers, and how faithless people just don't have enough in common to appreciate the Book of Mormon. You also take jabs at the perceived shared "liberal" ideology of posters here -- in your mind, we can't appreciate arguments for the Book of Mormon because we're a bunch of faithless liberals, or libertards, as my right-wing friend says.

So here's Ceeboo, a deeply believing Christian man who is at least as conservative and pro-Trump as you are, yet all your links and talking points haven't made a dent, and he's firmly in the camp that the Book of Mormon is man made. He even rejects you as a child of God. lol. All those times you sung that primary song as a kid and it was just wishful thinking. So what's you're excuse now?

[Philo Sofee]

And this would be the path that aligns with your particular religious beliefs? So, other humans, all over the planet, are not "children of God" or divine creations, no matter what, unless they take on your beliefs? What do you consider them to be, if they are not the same kind of human you are?

That’s what I’d like to get a bit more fleshed out.

Mormonism has an answer for that.

Regards,
MG

MG, to be truthful, Mormonism has answers for everything. That is not the point. Answers are not what we should be after, but truth.

[MG 2.0]

Thanks for posting your doctrinal positions without watering it down, Ceeboo.

So, MG, this is exactly what I've been talking about. You start these threads and complain about the impossible divide between believers and non-believers, and how faithless people just don't have enough in common to appreciate the Book of Mormon.

Not a complaint. Stating the reality. No need to take it as anything other than that.

You also take jabs at the perceived shared "liberal" ideology of posters here…

If you’re referring to politics (periodically I see people associating me with MAGA), I don’t have any problem with those that express a classical liberal ideology. I am concerned about leftest ideology. But I don’t know who is who here in regards to that. Again, not worth throwing into the complaint box. Mountain out of a molehill. Not unusual here. Ask Marcus. Ask Doc.

-- in your mind, we can't appreciate arguments for the Book of Mormon because we're a bunch of faithless liberals, or libertards, as my right-wing friend says.

I wouldn’t put it like that at all.

So here's Ceeboo, a deeply believing Christian man who is at least as conservative and pro-Trump as you are…

But I’m not. I wanted Nikki Haley to win the primaries. I went to her rally when she came to Utah. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I’m not leaning towards voting for him this election cycle.

Strike three. You’re out.

…yet all your links and talking points haven't made a dent…

I’m not expecting that the links I’ve shared in this thread are going to make a dent with everyone.

…and he's firmly in the camp that the Book of Mormon is man made.

Along with many other Evangelical Christians and those that practice other forms of Christianity relying upon the early Creeds.

He even rejects you as a child of God.

He is able to do that. I honestly don’t hold that against him. I see him, however, as a fellow traveler and a child of God. Just as I would my Muslim brother or sister.

lol.

You have a distorted and misplaced sense of humor, Gadianton.

All those times you sung that primary song as a kid and it was just wishful thinking.

I’m not sure where this is coming from other than a place of ignorance.

Regards
MG

[MG 2.0]

That’s what I’d like to get a bit more fleshed out.

Mormonism has an answer for that.

Regards,
MG

MG, to be truthful, Mormonism has answers for everything. That is not the point. Answers are not what we should be after, but truth.

On that point we are in agreement, Philo. Difference being that I believe the truth can be found in the answers.

The Book of Mormon being exhibit A.

A second witness of Christ is what this world needs. So many are ever learning and NOT coming to a knowledge of the truth. That doesn’t sound like a path I’m interested in.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

...I’m not sure where this is coming from other than a place of ignorance...

Really. After you butchered Gad's post to the extent that you entirely avoided his actual point, it's ironic that you're not sure what comes from "a place of ignorance."

[I Have Questions]

Yes we do. It’s explained in the Book of Mormon. You should read it sometime.

Are you referring to 1 Nephi 2:4 or 1 Nephi 3:22-23?

If so, are you able to determine whether they took valuables along with them? Or are you relying on the possibility that Nephi and others might have had skills in craftsmanship to offer?

Regards,
MG

What does the Book of Mormon say the Lehites took with them?

[ceeboo]

Thanks for posting your doctrinal positions without watering it down, Ceeboo.

You're welcome.

He even rejects you as a child of God.

Not exactly. Imagine the level of arrogance one would have to possess to be a mere created, broken and ungodly human being (in this case, me) and reject and/or accept another broken and ungodly human being as a child of God. For clarity: I suggested my view concerning a path that has been provided for all, and that is available for each and every one of us, to become a child of God. Adoption (grafting into the olive branch) is done by Almighty God, alone - By the unique authority of Almighty God, alone - By the unmerited Grace provided to us by Almighty God, alone.

lol.

As someone who most likely does not share my view, I can understand the lol (no worries). Please understand/consider what it means for someone like me who does hold that view: A child of God = Salvation - saved by our Creator/God - reunited to a right-standing relationship with our Creator/God. Not being a child of God = Remaining separated from our Creator - Continuing to rebel against our Creator, resisting surrender to the King. With that understanding of my view (you need not accept my view) please consider that this is not a laugh out loud moment for me.

[ceeboo]

I see him, however, as a fellow traveler and a child of God. Just as I would my Muslim brother or sister.

With all due respect, you sound like Joel Osteen (The master of watering down the Word of God - leading people astray - to appease the masses and grow his enormous "church") - A widespread and significant problem with 'Christianity' in the West, in my opinion.

In the context of God/Children/Family - Brothers and sisters require a common parent (God) - Do you believe (generically speaking as you have done here with your Muslim brother and sister) that the LDS God is the same being as the God of the Quran?

Biblical Jesus = God Almighty - The Alpha and Omega - The eternal God - The Creator of everything - The Word that became flesh and dwelt among us.

LDS Jesus - Satan's spirit brother - We are Jesus's spirit brother - We can be exalted and become our own god of another planet

Quran Jesus - Not crucified nor did he resurrect (Allah used someone else, made this person look like Jesus and was put in the place of Jesus for the crucifixion - A mere prophet like all other prophets like Mohammed - Mohammed is the last prophet.

These three cannot all be true at the same time.


Considering the last few posts - I am not going to revisit our last exchange and take the time to provide a detailed reply as I said I might. I don't say this out of contempt and/or hubris - I say this because it would take much longer than I originally suspected it would. For example, I would have to spend enormous effort/time on very basic things (Who Biblical Jesus is - Old Testament explanations, etc) - before I even began to engage the original question - Which would take another significant amount of time/effort.

[Marcus]

Thanks for posting your doctrinal positions without watering it down, Ceeboo.

You're welcome.

He even rejects you as a child of God.

Not exactly. Imagine the level of arrogance one would have to possess to be a mere created, broken and ungodly human being (in this case, me) and reject and/or accept another broken and ungodly human being as a child of God.

Indeed.

Everyone is a child of God

Not really, from my view. While we are all created in the image of our Creator/God, we are not all the children of God.

[I Have Questions]

We can become the adopted children of God and this adoption has nothing to do with our works or our merit. It has everything to do with being purchased, as broken as we were/are, by the sacrificial blood of God.

I don’t have the first clue as to what any of that means. Can you try and put it into plain and simple English rather than flowery ambiguous religious woo woo speak?

We were all bought, it's up to each and every one of us to consider/recognize that and accept the path that has already been provided for us - A path that none of us could create - A path that takes us back to a right standing relationship with our Creator/King.

Where, specifically, do you find that path and who, specifically, told you that was the path? And why do you find that specific source of information about the “path” credible, and other claimed sources not credible?