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Re: are there still liberal Mormons?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:14 pm
Well, you're not my judge in Israel. During that time I was up front with my Bishop and expressed my concerns to the Stake President. I was worthy of and continued to receive a temple recommend and attended the temple
What were your concerns you expressed to the Stake President? What were your concerns that gave you a 10 year faith crisis?
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Truly, I am glad that you were not my Bishop during the years that I struggled with my testimony.
Amen. I would have thrown your white heinie out of the Church faster than a DezNat at an LBGT festival.
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Re: are there still liberal Mormons?

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:23 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:14 pm
Well, you're not my judge in Israel. During that time I was up front with my Bishop and expressed my concerns to the Stake President. I was worthy of and continued to receive a temple recommend and attended the temple
What were your concerns you expressed to the Stake President? What were your concerns that gave you a 10 year faith crisis?
Same stuff as many others. I wasn't out of the ordinary. The Jeremy Runnels stuff. Science and religion stuff. Human condition stuff. Long list.

A long list takes some time to work through. Unfortunately, many give up.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:36 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:23 pm


What were your concerns you expressed to the Stake President? What were your concerns that gave you a 10 year faith crisis?
Same stuff as many others. I wasn't out of the ordinary. The Jeremy Runnels stuff. Science and religion stuff. Human condition stuff. Long list.

A long list takes some time to work through. Unfortunately, many give up.

Regards,
MG
What would you say was your biggest “doubt” or “concern” and how did you resolve it after ten years?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:38 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:36 pm


Same stuff as many others. I wasn't out of the ordinary. The Jeremy Runnels stuff. Science and religion stuff. Human condition stuff. Long list.

A long list takes some time to work through. Unfortunately, many give up.

Regards,
MG
What would you say was your biggest “doubt” or “concern” and how did you resolve it after ten years?
IHAQ, truthfully, I can see right through you. You have absolutely no interest in actually understanding or accepting the 'other'. Some of the things you've said recently corroborate this. You're not the right person to ask this question of me. I have sat down and discussed a LOT of stuff over the years with those that I trust and/or I know are honest in heart.

You do not fall under the umbrella of either one of these.

And now there are others that feel comfortable sitting down with me and expressing their concerns. It's a matter of trust.

Regards,
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:43 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:38 pm
What would you say was your biggest “doubt” or “concern” and how did you resolve it after ten years?
IHAQ, truthfully, I can see right through you. You have absolutely no interest in actually understanding or accepting the 'other'. Some of the things you've said recently corroborate this. You're not the right person to ask this question of me. I have sat down and discussed a LOT of stuff over the years with those that I trust and/or I know are honest in heart.

You do not fall under the umbrella of either one of these.

And now there are others that feel comfortable sitting down with me and expressing their concerns. It's a matter of trust.

Regards,
MG
Surely it would be a good story to tell those lurkers that you are here to minster to? They might have the same doubt as you, and hearing how you resolved it might help them. Or are you not really here to help them anymore?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:38 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:36 pm


Same stuff as many others. I wasn't out of the ordinary. The Jeremy Runnels stuff. Science and religion stuff. Human condition stuff. Long list.

A long list takes some time to work through. Unfortunately, many give up.

Regards,
MG
What would you say was your biggest “doubt” or “concern” and how did you resolve it after ten years?
Didn't Jeremy Runnels publish his CES Letter in 2012? How long was your faith crisis again? 20 years?
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:48 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:43 pm


IHAQ, truthfully, I can see right through you. You have absolutely no interest in actually understanding or accepting the 'other'. Some of the things you've said recently corroborate this. You're not the right person to ask this question of me. I have sat down and discussed a LOT of stuff over the years with those that I trust and/or I know are honest in heart.

You do not fall under the umbrella of either one of these.

And now there are others that feel comfortable sitting down with me and expressing their concerns. It's a matter of trust.

Regards,
MG
Surely it would be a good story to tell those lurkers that you are here to minster to? They might have the same doubt as you, and hearing how you resolved it might help them. Or are you not really here to help them anymore?
If one of them came out and joined us and asked their question or expressed their concern I would be more than likely have something to contribute.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:48 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:38 pm
What would you say was your biggest “doubt” or “concern” and how did you resolve it after ten years?
Didn't Jeremy Runnels publish his CES Letter in 2012? How long was your faith crisis again? 20 years?
It’s worse than that…
In 2012, Jeremy Runnells began to experience doubts over his faith. A director of institute of the LDS Church's Church Educational System (CES) asked him to write his concerns, and in response Runnells sent an 84-page letter with his concerns.[1] After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CES_Letter

So the earliest MG could’ve seen it was April 2013. He said his faith crisis was “back in the nineties”. Even if we assume he means 1999, it’s still 15 years before he could have experienced doubts over the Runnells CES letter.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:51 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:48 pm
Surely it would be a good story to tell those lurkers that you are here to minster to? They might have the same doubt as you, and hearing how you resolved it might help them. Or are you not really here to help them anymore?
If one of them came out and joined us and asked their question or expressed their concern I would be more than likely have something to contribute.

Regards,
MG
But then they wouldn’t be a lurker, you said you were talking to lurkers. So tell them the story of your biggest doubt that took ten years to resolve…
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:52 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:48 pm


Didn't Jeremy Runnels publish his CES Letter in 2012? How long was your faith crisis again? 20 years?
It’s worse than that…
In 2012, Jeremy Runnells began to experience doubts over his faith. A director of institute of the LDS Church's Church Educational System (CES) asked him to write his concerns, and in response Runnells sent an 84-page letter with his concerns.[1] After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CES_Letter

So the earliest MG could’ve seen it was April 2013
Well, it looks like MG was caught in another lie. Either that or MG's faith crisis lasted 20 years.
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